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Bill O
10-13-2007, 06:43 PM
Who knows what the highest city in New England is?

We're talking about elevation here. For this case let's consider a city to have more than 10,000 people.

I think you'll be surprised what the answer is. Assuming I'm correct.

KD Talbot
10-13-2007, 08:54 PM
I would have guessed Berlin, but that seems too easy.

KDT

Steve M
10-13-2007, 10:10 PM
I'm gonna rule out anything south of Vermont and NH. It would have to be in the mountainous areas of either Maine, NH, or Vermont. Vermont doesn't have a lot of cities with 10,000 or more people in it. So a population of that size would most likely be along a river, which would keep it at lower elevations. Maine I would put in the same category as Vermont. So that leaves NH and the White Mountain region at that. And the only cities that large in that area would be Littleton and Berlin. Littleton is close to the Ct river so I'm gonna say it's elevation is probably lower than Berlin so I'm gonna go with Berlin as well!

Knapper
10-14-2007, 05:13 AM
Everyone wants to look north for the highest city in New England but I am going to look south. Pittsfield, Mass.

Bill O
10-14-2007, 07:32 AM
Everyone wants to look north for the highest city in New England but I am going to look south. Pittsfield, Mass.

That's the answer I was looking for. At least according to the Rand McNally road atlas. At 1020 feet its 10 feet higher than Berlin, NH. Its also much bigger at close to 50,000 people.

Pretty surprising, but most of VT and NH cities are in low valleys. I got curious when I noticed that even Danbury, CT was over 400 feet.

Steve M
10-14-2007, 10:31 AM
I forgot that western Mass actually has some elevation to it.

Magpie
10-14-2007, 01:05 PM
Is Holyoke MA a possable answer ? MT Tom is there. Just a guess.
:confused:

Bill O
10-14-2007, 01:39 PM
Is Holyoke MA a possable answer ? MT Tom is there. Just a guess.
:confused:

According to Rand McNally Holyoke is only 270 feet. Its in the Connecticut River Valley afterall.

KD Talbot
10-14-2007, 03:51 PM
Berlin has the Androscoggin. Just curious, where does Millinocket come in?

KDT

Bill O
10-14-2007, 04:12 PM
Berlin has the Androscoggin. Just curious, where does Millinocket come in?

KDT

Think about it though. The Androscoggin is pretty wild up there, lots of rocks and rapids. Its a mountain river at that point. Officially, Berlin is at 1010ft, just ten feet lower than Pittsfield. So who knows, the majority of Berlin could be well above 1020ft. But, Pittsfield does have substantially more people.

Millinocket is at 350ft and I doubt they have 10,000 people. Presque Isle checks in at 446ft and Rumford at 620ft.

KD Talbot
10-14-2007, 10:53 PM
Not even close with Millinocket! Pittsfield has to be it. People talk about Berlin being the pits, ever been to Pittsfield? or Millinocket for that matter. Berlin looks real nice compared to these two, unless things have changed drastically since i was last there, and I'm pretty sure they haven't. But I'm getting off subject.

KDT

billysinc
10-15-2007, 07:49 AM
I always thought Worcester was pretty high over near the airport.

just looked it up, the airport is at 1007ft

Pete S
10-18-2007, 09:16 PM
With no statistics as a basis for my my thoughts , I would say the highest city-- with over 10,000 people-- in NE is Stowe, VT on a holiday weekend!

Bill O
10-18-2007, 10:35 PM
With no statistics as a basis for my my thoughts , I would say the highest city-- with over 10,000 people-- in NE is Stowe, VT on a holiday weekend!

Any guess on the elevation of Stowe Village?

A mere 750 feet.

I wonder what the most amount of people on the summit of Mount Washington is.

Edit: I just did some double checking and the heart of downtown Pittsfield is really at 1,020 feet. The airport is at 1,160.

If you go to runningmap.com and turn on the elevation feature you can easily find the elevation of any place in the US. Some research into Berlin, NH shows that the heart of downtown is actually over 1,100 feet. But....as of 2006 the population has fallen to under 10,000 people.

Pete S
10-18-2007, 10:55 PM
Way to keep us thinking, Bill!

I guess it comes down to how it's determined where to measure the elevation of a town-- is it a the geographic center, or the main interesection...

A quick look at a topo map of Stowe-- one of the largest towns area wise in VT-- quickly shows that except for the RT 100/ 108 corridor,which both follow rivers, the vast majority of the town is above 1000 ft....

Regardless of the elevation of Stowe, my bet is that the "answer " to Bills question is Killington, VT -- formerly known as Sherburne, VT---on a holiday.The main intersection of RT 4 / 100 is at 1680 ft, and Sherburne village is at 1230 ft. What's a record "population" at Killington???

How is the elevation of a town determined? Only full time residents are counted in the official population---- giving second home / tourist communities " low" poulations...

Maksutov
10-19-2007, 05:26 AM
Pittsfield was the first town to pop into my head.

Back in 1962 on the way to climbing Mt. Greylock, I was tracking elevations using a barometer which also had (quite conveniently) a "feet above sea level" scale. You set it at your start, knowing its elevation.

Once up the big hill on Rte. 7 just north of Stockbridge, it hit 1000 feet and stayed around there all the way through Pittsfield and on to the start of the Cheshire Harbor Trail.

BTW, I'm pretty sure Peru, MA (http://www.berkshirelinks.com/peru-mass.php), in Berkshire County is one of the, if not the, highest incorporated communities in New England. It's a fun place to visit, having a very different, Edward Hopperish feel to it.

Bill O
10-19-2007, 06:53 AM
What's a record "population" at Killington???


It's gotta be well over 20,000 New Yorkers.

Mike D
10-19-2007, 11:47 AM
What is the highest elevation incorporated town in New England? I don't know the answer, but I would guess either Bethlehem or Pittsburg, NH.

Rich
10-19-2007, 03:04 PM
What is the highest elevation incorporated town in New England? I don't know the answer, but I would guess either Bethlehem or Pittsburg, NH.


http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=108:3:6026441703800486013::NO::P3_FID:1459491

Sherburne, VT at 1450' ?

Brad
10-19-2007, 04:39 PM
The Town of Carroll is 2,956 ft.

http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=108:3:15479918250363104042::NO::P3_FID:873560

Bill O
10-19-2007, 04:49 PM
http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=108:3:6026441703800486013::NO::P3_FID:1459491

Sherburne, VT at 1450' ?

I thought they wanted to move to New Hampshire. Where they can live free and die.

Steve M
10-19-2007, 04:51 PM
We all know where the highest office in the east is.

Rich
10-19-2007, 05:22 PM
I thought they wanted to move to New Hampshire. Where they can live free and die.

:rolleyes:

Brad
10-19-2007, 06:14 PM
Even Podunk, VT is 1,900 feet! Glastonbury, VT is 3,002 feet.

I added the highest elevations "populated places" for NH, ME and VT to the Fotki site in the "Other" album at http://public.fotki.com/MWO/saved/other/

VT

http://images28.fotki.com/v1027/photos/1/1002902/4071997/VTelevations-vi.jpg

NH

http://images28.fotki.com/v1027/photos/1/1002902/4071997/NHelevations-vi.jpg

ME

http://images28.fotki.com/v1027/photos/1/1002902/4071997/MEelevations-vi.jpg

Mike D
10-21-2007, 02:47 PM
The Town of Carroll is 2,956 ft.

http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=108:3:15479918250363104042::NO::P3_FID:873560

According to the DeLorme NH Atlas, Carroll (downtown Twin Mountain) is at about 1,000 feet. Bretton Woods (also technically part of Carroll) is at about 2,000 feet, depending on where you measure. The highest point in the town is probably what usgs.gov shows above, but that isn't a very meaningful measure for our purposes here.

Maksutov
10-23-2007, 02:35 AM
As I posted earlier, I still like Peru, MA. This topo map (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=42.43806&lon=-73.04639&datum=nad27&u=4&layer=DRG&size=l&s=25) (note: metric) shows that, unlike some of the other referenced towns where the highest point is within the town boundaries but uninhabited, Peru has folks living near the town center at elevations of 2100 feet and greater.

But I'm just a dumb, no-account newbie, so what do I know?

Brad
10-23-2007, 05:04 AM
As I posted earlier, I still like Peru, MA. This topo map (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=42.43806&lon=-73.04639&datum=nad27&u=4&layer=DRG&size=l&s=25) (note: metric) shows that, unlike some of the other referenced towns where the highest point is within the town boundaries but uninhabited, Peru has folks living near the town center at elevations of 2100 feet and greater.

But I'm just a dumb, no-account newbie, so what do I know?
But, you have some really cool older pictures we want to see . . . :cool:

Maksutov
10-27-2007, 04:50 AM
But, you have some really cool older pictures we want to see . . . :cool:Sorry. I was in the hospital for a while. I will get them posted as soon as I am able to.

Brad
10-27-2007, 08:01 PM
Sorry. I was in the hospital for a while. I will get them posted as soon as I am able to.
Glad you are out and hope you are doing better.

Charlie
10-27-2007, 09:10 PM
Sorry. I was in the hospital for a while. I will get them posted as soon as I am able to.


don't know what happened to you but i hope every thing is OK

Maksutov
10-28-2007, 04:00 AM
Glad you are out and hope you are doing better.I'm out and able to get around without a wheelchair now.

Thank you for the good wishes.

Maksutov
10-28-2007, 04:04 AM
don't know what happened to you but i hope every thing is OKThank you for your kind thoughts.

I had a debilitating stroke back in 2003 that put an end to my hiking activities. It's been downhill ever since. The latest problem was related to an infection in my right leg. Fortunately I still have the leg (it was a close call). But it's frustrating to realize my climbing days are over.

But at least I still some photos, which I will post to the Brad website shortly. Please be patient.

Brad
10-28-2007, 04:33 AM
You are certainly up early!

Steve M
10-28-2007, 03:49 PM
You are certainly up early!
Look whose talking. What are you doing up this early on a Sunday morning???
I hope your going somewhere to take some nice pictures!:)

Brad
10-28-2007, 04:26 PM
Look whose talking. What are you doing up this early on a Sunday morning???
I hope your going somewhere to take some nice pictures!:)
I went to see a hot air balloon event yesterday morning - but, it got fogged in. So, I headed to a few other spots in NC to take pictures (will upload them in a bit). Then this morning I was back at Statesville, NC for the balloons. Those pictures are at

http://public.fotki.com/bradbradstreet/travels/2007/20071028-hot-air-balloon/

My favorite was taken looking inside the balloon at the top as it was being filled with hot air.

http://images21.fotki.com/v845/photos/8/8235/5544450/IMG_8645a-vi.jpg

I did the chase-the-vans routine to try to get pictures as they got set up several miles from the airport. Then they flew across the airport, dropped down by an X marker, dropped a bean bag on the marker (closest gets extra points) and then on to the tie down area. And I went back to the airport to get pictures there. Amazing they have that much control.

I am not sure which is harder - getting close enough in a balloon to drop a bean bag on a marker - or, pick the snow depth on MW for October.

Steve M
10-28-2007, 04:31 PM
Sounds like you had a nice day! I would like to take a ride in a hot air balloon one day. It looks like a blast!...(of hot air):D
Nice pics too!

Bill O
10-28-2007, 08:20 PM
Here's another one.

What day of the year has the latest sunrise?

Rich
10-28-2007, 08:59 PM
Here's another one.

What day of the year has the latest sunrise?


Oooh, oooh, I know, I know!!

January 5th ( I think?)

Bill O
10-28-2007, 09:02 PM
Oooh, oooh, I know, I know!!

January 5th ( I think?)

Nope. And let's just say you are more than a few days off.

As a caveat I am talking about the majority of New England, not southern hemisphere, and not the summit of Mount Washington.

Steve M
10-28-2007, 09:11 PM
Nope. And let's just say you are more than a few days off.

As a caveat I am talking about the majority of New England, not southern hemisphere, and not the summit of Mount Washington.
I'm gonna say Dec 21, since it is the shortest day of the year in the NH

Bill O
10-28-2007, 09:18 PM
I'm gonna say Dec 21, since it is the shortest day of the year in the NH

Right, that's the shortest day of the year, plus or minus a day or two. But the latest sunrise in New England is not on 12/21, nor is it within a few days of 12/21.

Rich
10-28-2007, 09:45 PM
Jan. 4 @ 7:21 a.m.

Maksutov
10-29-2007, 12:39 AM
You are certainly up early!Or up late. Folks who enjoy chronic pain have no set sleep periods. We try to sleep but something keeps us up. Eventually it's "pass out" time. Then it's lather, rinse, repeat.

Looks like this forum is the domain of those who are young and physically fit. So I'll go back to reading the posts.

One last word.

How about those Red Sox?

Bill O
10-29-2007, 06:50 AM
Jan. 4 @ 7:21 a.m.

You should check November.

Steve M
10-29-2007, 07:33 AM
You should check November.
for the record it's 7:33 right now and it's still dark down here.

Steve M
10-29-2007, 07:39 AM
I just thought about that last hint you gave and it reminded me that DST ends on Nov 4th., so I will say that is the date.

Bill O
10-29-2007, 07:45 AM
I just thought about that last hint you gave and it reminded me that DST ends on Nov 4th., so I will say that is the date.

Right. I was playing around on the internet and the latest sunrise in my area is on November 3rd.

Don't worry too much about the actual time since it varies by latitude, longitude and altitude.

But for my area sunrise on November 3rd is 7:29, the latest it gets around the solstice is 7:21. With DST ending a week later it changed everything, especially since we are losing light at the fastest rate this time of year.

Steve M
10-29-2007, 10:34 AM
Right. I was playing around on the internet and the latest sunrise in my area is on November 3rd.

Don't worry too much about the actual time since it varies by latitude, longitude and altitude.

But for my area sunrise on November 3rd is 7:29, the latest it gets around the solstice is 7:21. With DST ending a week later it changed everything, especially since we are losing light at the fastest rate this time of year.
So the very next day the sunrise will be at 6:29. I wish the sunrise could be that early down here. I don't like getting up and out in the dark.

Brad
10-29-2007, 11:26 AM
So the very next day the sunrise will be at 6:29. I wish the sunrise could be that early down here. I don't like getting up and out in the dark.
I could comment about folks in Florida always being in the dark. But, I would not do that.

Charlie
10-29-2007, 05:25 PM
I could comment about folks in Florida always being in the dark. But, I would not do that.


go ahead we won't mind :D :D

Rich
10-29-2007, 09:49 PM
You should check November.


Or just not participate in quizzes anymore!

Steve M
10-29-2007, 10:16 PM
Or just not participate in quizzes anymore!
O.K. Here's another quiz.

After a wall has been sanded smooth, what would be the next step before applying the paint?

Brad
10-30-2007, 06:03 AM
O.K. Here's another quiz.

After a wall has been sanded smooth, what would be the next step before applying the paint?
I would wipe it down to get the dust off.

Steve M
10-30-2007, 09:09 AM
I would wipe it down to get the dust off.
Assuming that was already done.

Mike D
10-30-2007, 09:52 AM
Right. I was playing around on the internet and the latest sunrise in my area is on November 3rd.

Don't worry too much about the actual time since it varies by latitude, longitude and altitude.

But for my area sunrise on November 3rd is 7:29, the latest it gets around the solstice is 7:21. With DST ending a week later it changed everything, especially since we are losing light at the fastest rate this time of year.

Car Talk did a Puzzler about this a few months ago. But that doesn't mean we can't do it here too.

Rich
10-30-2007, 04:41 PM
O.K. Here's another quiz.

After a wall has been sanded smooth, what would be the next step before applying the paint?

If the floors are finished, lay out your drops. If that's already done....pick up a case of Tuckerman's and cut in the primer!:D

Feelin' a little sorry for me, huh Steve? Maybe I'll just stay over on the Fine Homebuilding forums.

Steve M
10-30-2007, 06:55 PM
If the floors are finished, lay out your drops. If that's already done....pick up a case of Tuckerman's and cut in the primer!:D

Feelin' a little sorry for me, huh Steve? Maybe I'll just stay over on the Fine Homebuilding forums.
Right...And with great detail...And with priorities in order...;)

Bill O
10-30-2007, 07:10 PM
If the floors are finished, lay out your drops. If that's already done....pick up a case of Tuckerman's and cut in the primer!:D

Feelin' a little sorry for me, huh Steve? Maybe I'll just stay over on the Fine Homebuilding forums.

You know adding beer to any project is going to double the time it takes. At a minimum. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I'm just saying.

Mike D
10-30-2007, 07:59 PM
If the floors are finished, lay out your drops. If that's already done....pick up a case of Tuckerman's and cut in the primer!:D

Don't mix them up. That's probably why they're in different shaped bottles.

Steve M
10-30-2007, 08:48 PM
Too much very funny everyone! Beer never slowed me down!:rolleyes: :cool:

Brad
10-30-2007, 09:15 PM
Being that I do not drink, at all, i guess I missed this one big time. You could say that I hops on by it.

Mike D
10-31-2007, 09:39 AM
Being that I do not drink, at all, i guess I missed this one big time. You could say that I hops on by it.

Don't worry, I've never sanded a wall smooth.

Steve M
10-31-2007, 02:01 PM
Don't worry, I've never sanded a wall smooth.
Yea, and I don't drink primer so I guess we are all even!

Brad
10-31-2007, 03:22 PM
Yea, and I don't drink primer so I guess we are all even!
Right, but, you smell it.

Steve M
10-31-2007, 09:55 PM
Right, but, you smell it.
Are you saying I smell like primer?:(

Brad
10-31-2007, 10:04 PM
No, you sniff the fumes.

Steve M
11-01-2007, 09:20 AM
No, you sniff the fumes.
That's true. But I don't think I paint as much as Rich does. I'm a window man for the most part.