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rockin rex
12-11-2006, 11:59 PM
As I write this there are 3 climbers trapped on Mount Hood just below the summit. The weather is turning bad and they can not attempt a rescue at this time. All 3 are extremely experienced climbers but the weather is horrible with high winds and deep snow. They were climbing the north side which is the more difficult side. Please pray the 3 will be able to survive and make it back to their families and loved ones. If you would like more info go to Boston Herald.com where they have the story listed. May God protect them and bring them back safely.

tkahike
12-12-2006, 02:11 AM
Here is an article. States they took minimal gear.


3 climbers missing on Oregon mountain
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061211/...bers&printer=1 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061211/ap_on_re_us/missing_climbers&printer=1)
By BRAD CAIN, Associated Press Writer
Mon Dec 11, 5:19 PM ET



Rescue teams headed up the flanks of treacherous Mount Hood on Monday to search for three climbers reported missing in heavy snow, but were ordered off the mountain when conditions became too dangerous.
Officials described the three men as experienced but said none had climbed Mount Hood before.
The mother of one of the men said he had called his son on a cell phone Sunday to say he was stranded in a snow cave just below the summit of the 11,239-foot peak while his companions went for help. Authorities were unable to re-establish cell phone contact with the climber, and there was no sign of the other men.
"From the conversation, it left us very concerned for the person's welfare," Chief Sheriff's Deputy Jerry Brown said.
Snow was falling heavily Monday at a lodge where the three men were supposed to meet friends on Friday or Saturday. Up to 18 inches of snow was expected through Tuesday, along with wind gusts of up to 55 mph that will reduce visibility and raise the risk of avalanches.
The Oregon Air National Guard said the weather was too dangerous to attempt a helicopter rescue, but a chopper was on standby in case the weather improved.
The seven three-member rescue teams searching for the men encountered wind gusts of 80 mph and blowing snow, said Deputy Marc Smith of the Hood River County Sheriff's Office. They didn't get higher than 8,500 feet.
"They're going to regroup, wait for a break in the weather and then go back up on the mountain," Smith said.
About 10,000 people a year start for the summit, and on average 20 to 25 have to be rescued.
The three men left their car on Wednesday to climb the difficult north side of Mount Hood, Oregon's tallest peak. They had planned to spend two nights on the mountain.
The route the climbers took is very difficult, with slopes of 50 or 60 degrees and occasional sheer walls of ice, said Steve Rollins, a rescue leader with Portland Mountain Rescue, which sent two teams up the mountain.
Rollins said conditions on the mountain were deadly, with hard ice, high winds and heavy snow. "There is no easy way off the mountain," he said.
A note that the missing climbers left at a Forest Service station said they were taking "minimal gear," Doug Jones, a permit specialist with the Mount Hood National Forest, told The Oregonian newspaper.
It was the second time in less than a month that someone was reported missing in snowy, isolated areas of Oregon. James Kim of San Francisco died of exposure after leaving his wife and their two small daughters in their snowbound car while he struck out on his own in search of help. His wife and children were rescued.

Bill O
12-12-2006, 07:14 AM
I'm not sure if they are "extremely experienced" either. For one, its their first time climbing Mount Hood, and this isn't exactly climbing season up there.

No doubt they know what they are doing, but Mount Hood is a serious mountain. I'm sure people do it all the time, but climbing this time of year is very risky. They have the risk of hunkering down for 3 days in a snowstorm and waking up to 20 feet of new snow. Or worse, the storm could last for 3 weeks.

rockin rex
12-12-2006, 07:23 AM
Update on climbers trapped.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_MISSING_CLIMBERS_OROL-?SITE=ORMED&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Bill O
12-12-2006, 05:36 PM
I have a feeling the window for good news is going to close in the next few hours. Bad weather is forecasted to move in tonight and will likely last for several days.

After doing some research it appears that these were very experienced climbers. If anybody could survive this epic, it would be them.

Bill O
12-13-2006, 08:28 AM
Any updates this morning?

If you are interested in following along more closely this climbing forum has some great posts:

Cascade Climbers (http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/616247/page/1/fpart/6)

There are over 6 pages of posts, but you can catch up in the last 2 pages. Also, one of the members of that forum "fuggedaboudit" is one of the trapped climbers. He was a regular posted and talked about adding photos from this trip once he returned.

Bill O
12-13-2006, 08:56 AM
Great video recap of the situation, including their expected route:

The Oregonian (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qKUUHth_HEI)

I'm looking forward to hearing their story when they get off the mountain.

Gorque
12-13-2006, 10:26 AM
Thanks for sharing that video link Bill. It helped in explaining the situation a great deal.

Bill O
12-13-2006, 11:48 AM
Live shot from Mount Hood Meadows ski area. I think the top of this lift is around 6,500ft. A long way from where the trapped climbers presumably are.

http://www.skihood.com/cams/mhmtop.jpg

rockin rex
12-13-2006, 04:50 PM
Thanks bill for the link to the cascade climbers forum. This is the place to get the upto date info. Seems from the forum these guys had a set plan in case of bad weather and are most likely holed up in a snow cave. My prayers continue to go out to the 3 climbers and their families and also to the search and rescue who are risking their own lives to find these guys.

rockin rex
12-14-2006, 02:08 PM
http://mazamas.org/your/adventure/starts-here/C102/
This is a link to cams on Mount hood. The weather for today as seen on the cams is horrible. They are saying close to 100 mile an hour winds and 18 inches more snow. I continue to follow this rescue by linking onto the climbers forum that Bill listed ( Cascade climbers). Guys hang in there!!!!!!!!
The climbing world is pulling for you.

rockin rex
12-16-2006, 03:05 PM
This is the window we have been waiting for. Guys they are coming for you. Hang in there. May god help search and rescue find them today and bring them home safely.

spyboy
12-16-2006, 04:11 PM
Why didn't these guys carry a gps? In the 4 minute phone call the guy in the snow cave called his brother, he could have relayed coordinates. Seems that a $150 piece of tech hardware could be a real life saver.

(btw: James Kim didn't have a gps, although he was a major gadget freak, not that it would have saved them, but they could have at least seen where they were and possibly turned back to the town before they got stuck)

rockin rex
12-16-2006, 04:50 PM
News conference at 5:00 P.m. eastern time. Two climbers found on north side but can't confirm if it is two of the 3 climbers they are looking for. For up to the minute info go to climbers.com - cascade mountain forum.
What they had or didn't have lets wait until they are found and then they can give us all the details. Hang in ther guys your almost there.

Bill O
12-16-2006, 05:12 PM
Please keep us posted. I have internet, but no CNN right now.

Brad
12-16-2006, 05:56 PM
News update said the plane had to come back to refuel. When it went back up they did not see anyone. They are guessing they saw rocks instead of people. The planes will continue to fly but searchers are coming down off the mountain. The highest they got today was 10,600 feet.

Brad
12-16-2006, 05:57 PM
Here is a web cam at Timberline

http://www.kgw.com/livecams/popup_timberline.html

Bill O
12-16-2006, 07:14 PM
These guys should have popped out of their snow caves by now.

I can't believe the rescuers are headed back down the mountain. The weather is stable and they should be handle a much longer day. Climbers on Everest have 18+ hour summit days in much colder weather.

Brad
12-17-2006, 09:25 AM
Reports are some of the south side climbers on the rescue teams came down with fristbite on their faces. Close to white-out conditions.

Here is a look at Mt Hood thanks to Google maps.

http://images14.fotki.com/v371/photos/1/1002902/4071997/MtHoodGoogle-vi.png

Brad
12-17-2006, 10:33 AM
Here is a live picture from Timberline on Mt Hood. If you refresh this page you will get the updated image. It looks like a very clear day today!

http://www.kgw.com/live/livecams_external/timberline.jpg

Bill O
12-17-2006, 10:47 AM
Reports are some of the south side climbers on the rescue teams came down with fristbite on their faces. Close to white-out conditions.


That's somewhat good news. It means that conditions were still very bad high on the mountain and the stranded climbers may have just stayed in their snow caves.

Brad
12-17-2006, 02:51 PM
www.oregonlive.com reports

Sunday, December 17, 2006

BREAKING NEWS: Searchers find signs of climbers
A helicopter surveying the Mount Hood summit this morning has captured images of what appears to be a snow cave, scattered equipment and what looks like frozen tracks in the snow.

Search organizers plan to airlift pararescuers to the summit by helicopter so they can make their way to the area by foot.

rockin rex
12-17-2006, 03:46 PM
Just got in from being out all day and saw the update from Brad. Thanks. I will now log on to climbers forum and get the upto the minute news on this.
Looks like weather today is best yet. Yesterday winds were still high near the summit and there were white out conditions with HIGH ava conditions. Today is the day if they are to come out of this alive. May god bring them off the mountain safe and sound. Thanks again Brad and keep up the positive vibes!!!!

Bill O
12-17-2006, 03:50 PM
Does anybody have a reliable internet feed to live video? All I have is the katu.com live feeds during news conferences, nothing else.

Brad
12-17-2006, 04:11 PM
The best up to date information I have found is at www.oregonlive.com

AlpineHikerFan71
12-17-2006, 04:31 PM
Somew of the reports have said that some of the equipment, ie, climbing ropes may have been from other hikers one report said. I just pray that is the ropes of the 3 missing hikers and they can find them safely.

rockin rex
12-17-2006, 04:32 PM
Any info you need or questions that folks might have can be answered on cascade climbers. This is an AWESOME forun with great info. I have been living on the cascade forum the last few days. Just sign in and post. They will answer all questions and have all the links that are out there. Thanks Bill again for the cascade climbers link.

Brad
12-17-2006, 05:53 PM
Link to forum is at http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/616247/page/1/fpart/31

AlpineHikerFan71
12-17-2006, 09:11 PM
Link to forum is at http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/616247/page/1/fpart/31

Thanks for the link, I am going there now. Thanks Brad

Bill O
12-17-2006, 09:24 PM
Not much to say here.

tkahike
12-18-2006, 04:23 AM
1 missing climber found dead on Mt. Hood By JOSEPH B. FRAZIER, Associated Press Writer
42 minutes ago



HOOD RIVER, Ore. - Rescuers looking for three missing climbers on Mount Hood found a body Sunday in the area where one of the climbers made a distress call last week, authorities said.

The dead climber had not yet been identified, said Pete Hughes, a spokesman for the Hood River County Sheriff's Office. The victim was believed to be one of the three missing climbers, authorities said......

Brad
12-18-2006, 06:02 AM
Not much to say here.
No words can be expressed now - this has rivited me to the Internet for the past few days. Here it is 3AM Pacific time and there are car headlights on outside Timberline Lodge.

AlpineHikerFan71
12-18-2006, 09:01 AM
They have indentified one of the hikers as Kelly James. Please all pray for his family as this tough time. I am starting not to like the outcome of this trio, I have a bad feeling.

gonewandering
12-18-2006, 11:54 AM
"Monday, December 18, 2006

Conditions on Mount Hood call for clear skies, light wind



Today will offer searchers another rare chance to see the summit of Mount Hood as the forecast calls for clear skies and calm winds.

Searchers will face cold, but winds will be very light, said Julia Ruthford, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service....

Bill O
12-18-2006, 02:57 PM
I had to edit some of those full article posts. Besides it being illegal to cut and paste an entire article it is generally frowned upon.

In the future please post a few snippets and a link to the full article.

Bill O
12-18-2006, 04:40 PM
Has anyone on this forum climbed Hood?

I have never been on that mountain. I've been on Rainier and Adams. The Cascade volcanoes are amazing. Besides Rainier they aren't particularly tall, but they really are massive mountains. Standing isolated and well above their surroundings.

Brad
12-19-2006, 05:48 AM
I was working in the area for quite a bit one year. Did not climb Hood but drove closer to see it.

Bill O
12-19-2006, 08:04 AM
Good graphic showing route and location of snow caves. Warning, very slow to download.

Oregonian Map (http://www.oregonlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/accessor/nph-repository-cache.cgi/base/pdf_captions/1166505904155620.pdf)

Brad
12-19-2006, 09:15 AM
Good graphic showing route and location of snow caves. Warning, very slow to download.

Oregonian Map (http://www.oregonlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/accessor/nph-repository-cache.cgi/base/pdf_captions/1166505904155620.pdf)
It was not working at all - and is now okay.

rockin rex
12-19-2006, 10:37 AM
[QUOTE=Bill O]Has anyone on this forum climbed Hood?

My brother has climbed Hood and he said it is an amazing mountain. He said the south side is an easy walk up. I think that is why so many people get in trouble on Hood. They don't look at it as a difficult or dangerous mountain. There seems to be two extremes to Hood. The very easy south side and the very diffficult North side. Next time I am out in Ashland Oregon to see my brother I think I am going to have him take me up. He always talks about Hood and how I should climb it with him and I think I am now going to take him up on it. Weather can make any mountain dangerous.

Rodney Stokes
12-19-2006, 11:05 AM
It is very sad what has happened on Mount Hood. I live in Oregon and there are always rescues on Hood. The climbers were absolutly stupid to go up there without a beacon. They are cheap to rent and maybe they still would be dead but atleast it is the responsible thing to do because it makes the rescue safer. Those people who go after the stupid ones are the true heroes. There is no cure for stupid but death. Think before climbing...Please.

Bill O
12-19-2006, 11:18 AM
It is very sad what has happened on Mount Hood. I live in Oregon and there are always rescues on Hood. The climbers were absolutly stupid to go up there without a beacon. They are cheap to rent and maybe they still would be dead but atleast it is the responsible thing to do because it makes the rescue safer. Those people who go after the stupid ones are the true heroes. There is no cure for stupid but death. Think before climbing...Please.

These climbers were two steps below world class. What kind of beacon are you talking about? Should everyone have a beacon? Should I drive with a beacon in my car?

Unless you know of some magical beacon, I'm not sure one exists that would have saved them. It was not humanly possible to reach their last known location until Sunday...and they did. The batteries would have been long dead by then.

Gorque
12-19-2006, 12:56 PM
Unless you know of some magical beacon, I'm not sure one exists that would have saved them. It was not humanly possible to reach their last known location until Sunday...and they did. The batteries would have been long dead by then.
Good point. In this case, smoke markers or flares would've been the better choice, but no one goes off expecting to be snow bound for a week. The weather that blew in was the worst in many years. I'd bet the ranch (if I had one) that these climbers had no intentions of scaling Hood in those conditions. A more liberal use of their cell-phones (as well as having one for each climber) to check on the weather conditions might've prevented this tragedy.

Bill O
12-19-2006, 01:19 PM
I assume Rodney was referring to the new PLB's, satellite based personal locater beacons. Although an excellent tool, they are not widely used. Once used to transmit the battery life is somewhere around 1-3 days. They transmit a GPS signal that is no more accurate then the one transmitted by Kelly's mobile phone. When searchers are within a mile they can hone in on the radio beacon, but nobody got near that distance within the first 6 days.

Gorgue's points are valid. Although, nobody realistically caries flares in the mountains. Also, pretty much everything we discussed in the past is moot, because the chain of events appears to be dramatically different than we first speculated.

We were all under the impression that Kelly was holed up alone near the summit with an injury. The other two went for help and we assumed they also hunkered down during the storm. When the weather cleared they were all going to emerge from their caves, flag down help, and get lifted off the mountain.

It appears this is not what happened. To the best of my knowledge this is what occured:

-All three men scaled the Eliot Glacier via the Gullies and summited.

-Shortly after summiting Kelly suffered an arm injury and bad weather moved in. They planned to descend via the normal route, but either could not find the entrance to the route or the weather was too severe.

-All three men spent at least one night in a large snow cave.

-The next day the other men left the snow cave to seek help for Kelly. They traversed the mountain to the top of The Cooper Spur. They setup an anchor and made a very small cave, more like a place to hide from the wind.

-Then an accident occurred. They fell, were blown off by wind, or swept away via an avalanche.

-Kelly later made the desperate call to has family.

rockin rex
12-19-2006, 01:40 PM
The climbers were absolutly stupid to go up there without a beacon.
How can you even say that?? If it wasn't for the injury they would of been out with no problem. I will say I never climb with a beacon or cell phone. I feel free with just me and the mountain. If I got caught in the same situation these guys did I would most likely be dead also. They did everything perfect and who counts on an injury and then weather to come in like it did. These guys got caught in over 100 mile an hour winds and white out conditions. what good would a beacon do. Bill O is right on with how things transpired. From all I have read and heard the way Bill O put it is right on. We have a top notch climber who lost his life and two missing and you call them stupid?????????????

Bill O
12-19-2006, 01:50 PM
From the thousands of posts I have read, dozens of articles, numerous photos and interviews. Nobody in the mountaineering community considers these men to be stupid climbers. A series of bad events conspired against them. Most notably the injury to Kelly (sounds like a dislocated shoulder) which probably was the result of a simple slip.

I just came across this photo indicating (red dot) the position of the second "cave" and anchor system. This is slightly different from the Oregonian graphic:

http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/plab/data/503/hoodnfanchor.jpg

rockin rex
12-19-2006, 02:06 PM
Thanks for the picture Bill. So sad they had made it when the injury happend.
In reguards to the post about a beacon I went back and looked at the other post this same person had posted and he has not even climbed washington. Not a bad thing at all by its self but how can you judge top notch climbers?? I guess I need to let go of my anger and consider the source. To me these guys are heroes. The one died doing what he loved most and living his dreams and the other 2 are missing because they were doing what they loved most and living their dreams. More people should go after dreams and do what they really enjoy rather than sitting back and letting life pass them by. I hope when God decides to take me he takes me on a mountain.

Gorque
12-19-2006, 02:35 PM
Well I was being a wise-arse with the flare comment. :D

But I always go with my cell-phone (turned off, of course), gps and a compass as a back up. I'd rather carry a little extra weight and be safe and sure of my location as well as being able to communicate in case trouble happens. :)

rockin rex
12-19-2006, 02:51 PM
Sorry Gorque wasn't speaking of you at all. I understood where you were coming from. The post that upset me was the one at 11:05 by Rodney. I have calmed my anger so I will let it rest. Some people like the safety of a phone or rescue aid and some people, like me, like to climb free. Neither way is wrong. I guess it is what you are comfortable with. Everyone tells me not to head up washington in winter solo but I still do it. There is a freedom there just me and the mountain. I will tell you with this thinking I would never expect a rescue by Randolph Search and Rescue. I decide to climb free I come down free.

Gorque
12-19-2006, 03:11 PM
I knew you weren't writing about me Rex. :) I just needed to elaborate on the items I bring with me, in addition to a map, to help me navigate. I have this ability to easily get lost. ;)

Getting back on topic, it seems the "authorities" found a camera with Kelly James and they aren't liking what they saw on those pictures. The news reports aren't saying what "they don't like".

rockin rex
12-19-2006, 03:57 PM
What they saw was that the 3 went up VERY light. They planned on a bivy over night then down to meet friends at timber lodge. I think they went light to be able to beat the storm. Again if not for the injury to kelly they would have made it safe and sound. With the injury, worst weather in years, and what they saw in the pictures, light gear, it combined for the fatal end.

Charlie
12-19-2006, 09:33 PM
i it me or should be prepared for the worst or close to it

Rodney Stokes
12-19-2006, 11:41 PM
I belive there is a beacon that can be rented for very little money that would have pin pointed where they were. There have been other rescues that have been done with it and it works. As far as a smoke signal...how can that be seen in 100 MPH winds? The cell phone batteries lasted for days. Really it is sad but we see this all the time on hood. They didn't really know the mountain. I think they underestimated it but it all is relevent now for them. I just think we all should just kinda learn from it.


These climbers were two steps below world class. What kind of beacon are you talking about? Should everyone have a beacon? Should I drive with a beacon in my car?

Unless you know of some magical beacon, I'm not sure one exists that would have saved them. It was not humanly possible to reach their last known location until Sunday...and they did. The batteries would have been long dead by then.

post'r boy
12-20-2006, 06:08 AM
those guys are dead. no amount of praying saves anyone from the elements,or dicey situations.if you're up the creek,you're up the creek,just that simple. get yourself out or you better hope someones looking for you.
one thing i have noticed about this website by reading some of the posts is; there's maybe 6 people here,who have very strong beliefs and acutally post,if you don't agree with them you're attacked for what you believe,or by the way you say it. if any forum wants to be successful there needs to be a certain amount of tolerence. something this website needs. just look at the members list and hit posts. taint many people there. jus' sayin':D

Gorque
12-20-2006, 07:31 AM
one thing i have noticed about this website by reading some of the posts is; there's maybe 6 people here,who have very strong beliefs and acutally post,if you don't agree with them you're attacked for what you believe,or by the way you say it. if any forum wants to be successful there needs to be a certain amount of tolerence. something this website needs. just look at the members list and hit posts. taint many people there. jus' sayin':D

Awww...c'mere and let me give you a big hug. :D I like reading your posts. I may not always understand them. :)

Gorque
12-20-2006, 07:33 AM
I belive there is a beacon that can be rented for very little money that would have pin pointed where they were. There have been other rescues that have been done with it and it works. As far as a smoke signal...how can that be seen in 100 MPH winds? The cell phone batteries lasted for days. Really it is sad but we see this all the time on hood. They didn't really know the mountain. I think they underestimated it but it all is relevent now for them. I just think we all should just kinda learn from it.
I think smoke can be seen in high winds and on a clear day. It may not accurately pinpoint your location in those conditions, but then again, I don't think that a rescue in those conditions could've be mounted either. :)

Bill O
12-20-2006, 08:07 AM
I belive there is a beacon that can be rented for very little money that would have pin pointed where they were. There have been other rescues that have been done with it and it works. As far as a smoke signal...how can that be seen in 100 MPH winds? The cell phone batteries lasted for days. Really it is sad but we see this all the time on hood. They didn't really know the mountain. I think they underestimated it but it all is relevent now for them. I just think we all should just kinda learn from it.

Kelly James got hurt, that's it. These climbers knew all the risks and accepted them.

Like I said before the PLB's have batteries that only last a few days while transmitting. In my other thread I also stated they never would have activated the device. The other two climbers only knew they were in grave danger a few moments before being swept off the side of the mountain.

Rodney Stokes
12-20-2006, 11:40 AM
Well Bill guessing what happened is not facts. We will just have to wait and see where they are found. I think they just are burried in a snow cave. They did activate the cell phone so I would have activated the locator. Well I would have activated the TV and been drinking beer at the lodge myself. I think we can all agree that what ever we belive it is sad and we all grieve. Regardless I think we will all learn from this.

Bill O
12-20-2006, 12:39 PM
I think in the next few days the families of the missing climbers need to give the rescuers their blessing to end the search. They need to look at all the facts and accept that the period of survivability has passed.

The current working theory, based on a signifcant amount of evidence, is that they are buried in avalanche debris somewhere below The Gullies. This will remain a very dangerous place to travel until next spring.

rockin rex
12-20-2006, 02:53 PM
They did activate the cell phone so I would have activated the locator. Well I would have activated the TV and been drinking beer at the lodge myself.
I am a tad bit confused. I guess what you are saying is they should have activated the beacon but if S/R couldn't of gotten to them due to weather what good would that of done. It wouldn't of saved their lives. How long do the batteries last on a beacon. Cell phone batteries seem to die rather fast in cold weather. Are beacon batteries different?? If they did activate the beacon and then end up going for help on the south side wouldn't search and rescue end up looking for them in the wrong place. It would be interesting to see how many climbers and hikers carry beacons. I honestly don't think very many. The other question is do beacons work in all areas? Cell phones on Hood only work on the south side. I hoestly think they were going for help and were blown off the mountain. I agree with Bill and think they are buried at the bottom of the gullies. 100 m.p.h. winds and 6o degree grade are not a good combination.

Bill O
12-20-2006, 03:02 PM
I am a tad bit confused. I guess what you are saying is they should have activated the beacon but if S/R couldn't of gotten to them due to weather what good would that of done. It wouldn't of saved their lives. How long do the batteries last on a beacon. Cell phone batteries seem to die rather fast in cold weather. Are beacon batteries different??

Exactly, for the benefit of others I will state for the 4th time that PLB batteries only last for 1-3 days when transmitting.

One device that hasn't been mentioned is the RECCO rescue system. Which is really good for recoveries. It's just a passive chip that reflects radar signals, and it never runs out of batteries.

Regular avalanche beacons would be totally useless in this case. Their signals are only detectable within a few hundred feet and the batteries can only transmit for a few days, at the most.

rockin rex
12-20-2006, 03:12 PM
Speaking of other rescue devices I heard that there is something used on Hood called a hood transponder. It acts like a bear collar and transmits your location thru your whole hike. Now that to me sounds like the way to go if you are in a group. They say groups use this on Hood and it has saved several groups that got lost. Any info or more details on what this is and how it works??

Bill O
12-20-2006, 08:44 PM
There has been quite a stunning turn of events that might throw out many theories. An autopsy shows that Kelly James did not have any injuries. No dislocations or broken bones. He died of hypothermia.

Brad
12-20-2006, 09:11 PM
There has been quite a stunning turn of events that might throw out many theories. An autopsy shows that Kelly James did not have any injuries. No dislocations or broken bones. He died of hypothermia.
I saw this. I was figuring he did not need his ice axes due to his injury. But, that has been blown out the window as a theory. They did not seem to have the equipment to handle the storm when it came in with the high winds and snow.

post'r boy
12-21-2006, 05:41 AM
Awww...c'mere and let me give you a big hug. :D I like reading your posts. I may not always understand them. :)
thanks, bro/sis?
that's more like it. what about the others? ;) :D
p.s. this is the "general discussion" forum an' i'm jus' havin' a "good time"

rockin rex
12-21-2006, 12:54 PM
:confused:
There has been quite a stunning turn of events that might throw out many theories. An autopsy shows that Kelly James did not have any injuries. No dislocations or broken bones. He died of hypothermia.
Now I am very confused!!!!!!!!!!! They were on the summit with no injuries. All they had to do was glasade down to timber lodge. Did they not bring enough clothes?? This really changes things. When did this info come out??
This just blows the doors wide open....................

Thal
12-21-2006, 01:15 PM
Hello everyone, I have been watching this story since it unfolded and am glad I did. It was a sad ending and my thoughts are with the families of those who lost their lives. Not much can be said at a time like this, except the men did what they could and tried their absolute best. For this they have my respect.

I have been greatly inspired by these three men and I personally plan on climbing Mt. Hood next December in memory of James, Hall and Nikko.

post'r boy
12-21-2006, 04:07 PM
There has been quite a stunning turn of events that might throw out many theories. An autopsy shows that Kelly James did not have any injuries. No dislocations or broken bones. He died of hypothermia.

although i'm not a doctor, to the best of my knowledge,one can't die from a dislocated shoulder anyway. freezing to death sounds like the obvious thing to happen.;)

Bill O
02-01-2007, 07:43 PM
Brief article in the March National Geographic Adventure magazine. Nothing new though.

On another note, there is an even briefer blurb about Mount Washington including a short interview with Ken Rancourt.

mk10
02-02-2007, 12:24 AM
There has been quite a stunning turn of events that might throw out many theories. An autopsy shows that Kelly James did not have any injuries. No dislocations or broken bones. He died of hypothermia.

The assumption has always been that an injured Kelly James remained holed up in a snow cave while his two buddies braved a blizzard in their heroic attempt to get help.

Now, what about this scenario? All three climbers were descending during the storm when things suddenly went from bad to worse. A horribly tragic event resulted in Brian Hall and Jerry "Nikko" Cooke being swept into 'the gullies', however Kelly James somehow managed to dodge this bullet. Despondent, yet seeking to avoid the same fate as his friends, Kelly James began a reluctant retreat. Stumbling in the heavy snow, he failed to find the group's original snow cave so he had to dig another. And in this cave...we know the rest...

Bill O
02-02-2007, 06:13 AM
The assumption has always been that an injured Kelly James remained holed up in a snow cave while his two buddies braved a blizzard in their heroic attempt to get help.

Now, what about this scenario? All three climbers were descending during the storm when things suddenly went from bad to worse. A horribly tragic event resulted in Brian Hall and Jerry "Nikko" Cooke being swept into 'the gullies', however Kelly James somehow managed to dodge this bullet. Despondent, yet seeking to avoid the same fate as his friends, Kelly James began a reluctant retreat. Stumbling in the heavy snow, he failed to find the group's original snow cave so he had to dig another. And in this cave...we know the rest...

I don't think that is accurate. According to the autopsy Kelly never had an injury. He may have been cold or tired, but not injured in any significant way. Also, the snow cave issue seems to be confusing to everybody. There was only one big snow cave, and that's where they found the body. The other "cave" was actually just a platform on the snow, not really a cave at all.

I'm sure a more detailed investigation (a book) will emerge once they find the other two. Their bodies will tell us a lot. A cut rope, missing equipment, and what they had with them.

Bill O
09-07-2007, 08:25 AM
So, did they ever find the other two climbers?

Maybe they did, but I haven't heard anything. If they found them I'd guess they have a better understanding of what actually occurred.

Patrad Fischroy
09-09-2007, 03:57 PM
I guess not, according to this article:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MISSING_CLIMBERS_SEARCH?SITE=WIFON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Bill O
09-09-2007, 06:12 PM
I guess not, according to this article:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MISSING_CLIMBERS_SEARCH?SITE=WIFON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Thanks, thought maybe I missed some news when I was away this summer.

Patrad Fischroy
09-10-2007, 11:05 AM
Personally I find it rather prescient that you asked this the day before the search was resumed. Must have been the planets.:rolleyes:

Bill O
02-15-2008, 08:58 PM
Anything?

Was this ever written up in a mountaineering journal or Climbing Magazine?