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mtheibert
07-13-2008, 07:05 PM
Hello all....we have four Ohio hikers planning a trip for this weekend, and looking for some route recommendations. We have a 2 under 30, one a triathlete, myself (32 and a 10k runner) and one approaching 38 who is slightly out of shape. I think we should be in pretty good shape, and we were looking for some experienced suggestions on the best routes up and down. As of right now, we are thinking of going up Lion's Head and back Tuckerman.

Look forward to your insight.

Mike

Brad
07-14-2008, 06:23 AM
Welcome to the forum! There has been quite a bit of discussion here on the forum on this topic. The summary seems to be a toss up between up Lions Head and down Tuckermans vs. up Ammo and down Gulfside-Jewell.

Lions Head gets you above treeline faster - better views - but, you will not see bad weather coming.

Ammo-Jewell is an easier hike (less steep) - protected in the trees almost till you get to Lakes of the Clouds - can see bad weather coming once above treeline. I think Ammo-Jewell is easier for first timers.

Brad
07-14-2008, 06:23 AM
I would highly recommend not hiking from Ohio. :cool:

mtheibert
07-14-2008, 11:41 AM
Brad I appreciate the quick response.

We have reservations at Dry River Campground Friday and Saturday (actually Sunday as well if someone wants the night, we are heading back Sunday am) nights. Any idea how far we will be to start of those trails from our campsite (#14)?

Also, are there any online maps for the trails that someone could point me to? We have been on the National Forest website and also USGS and there is nothing. We had ordered a map via amazon last week, but the seller is now having trouble getting it to us.

Thanks again, Mike

mtruman
07-14-2008, 05:04 PM
Also, are there any online maps for the trails that someone could point me to? We have been on the National Forest website and also USGS and there is nothing. We had ordered a map via amazon last week, but the seller is now having trouble getting it to us.


There are several sources for online White Mountains maps:

TheTrailWiki created by one of the forum members here. See this thread for details: http://www.mountwashington.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3240 (http://www.mountwashington.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3240&highlight=wmgonline)

AMC White Mountain Guide Online: http://www.wmgonline.org/
This is a subscription based service that costs $12/yr for AMC members and $15/yr for non-members. It contains all of the trails with the full descriptions and information that are in the printed White Mountain Guide. You can interactively create trips using your own routes or the suggested routes from the guide. The routes can then be printed in the format that's in the PDF I attached or exported for viewing in Google Earth. I use this tool constantly for trip planning and think it is more than worth the $12. You can also get a free account and try out many of the features.

Google Earth also shows most of the trails in the White Mountains but they aren't labeled (which doesn't help much unless you have another reference).

You can get some really good descriptions (but not maps) on Mohamed Ellozy's site here: http://home.earthlink.net/~ellozy/ (http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eellozy/)

Good luck with your hike and welcome to the forum! Look forward to your trip reports and photos after the trip.

Brad
07-14-2008, 05:31 PM
Brad I appreciate the quick response.

We have reservations at Dry River Campground Friday and Saturday (actually Sunday as well if someone wants the night, we are heading back Sunday am) nights. Any idea how far we will be to start of those trails from our campsite (#14)?

Also, are there any online maps for the trails that someone could point me to? We have been on the National Forest website and also USGS and there is nothing. We had ordered a map via amazon last week, but the seller is now having trouble getting it to us.

Thanks again, Mike
A quick answer (guessing where the Dry River campground is) from the campground to the Cog base station is 12 miles

http://images38.fotki.com/v1211/photos/8/8235/242566/DryRiver1-vi.jpg

From the campground to Pinkham is 26 miles

http://images38.fotki.com/v1213/photos/8/8235/242566/DryRiver2-vi.jpg

KD Talbot
07-14-2008, 06:30 PM
If you're staying at Dry River you definitely want to climb from the west, probably using the Ammo-Jewell Loop, though there are longer alternatives. Hiking from the east via Tucks or Lion Head would mean about a 40-45 mile drive in the morning, then again after the hike to get back to the CG.

Trailheads are clearly marked on Base Road just before reaching Marshfield Station. A loop from either direction, up Ammo-down Jewell or vice-versa can be made from this parking area.

KDT

Brad
07-14-2008, 08:27 PM
When you map out that route the 2 sections are roughly the same distance with the total loop being 6.95 miles - roughly.

http://images116.fotki.com/v695/photos/8/8235/242566/ammoloop-vi.jpg

Bill O
07-14-2008, 08:40 PM
Ammo Jewell makes the most sense if you are staying at Dry River. If you find the route too short you can always circumnavigate around the summit and visit the Alpine Garden.

I'll throw in my usual pitch. Make sure you get a real map of Mount Washington. I suggest getting the White Mountain Guide book as well. You can probably leave the book in the car, but don't hike without a map. FYI, the book comes with all the maps you need.

KD Talbot
07-14-2008, 08:53 PM
IMO the wiser course is to climb Ammonoosuc Ravine Trail first. Doing it the opposite way can be difficult on tired legs descending the steep rock stairs after a tiring day. When ascending one can stop at Lake of the Clouds Hut and take a food and water break, then make an assessment of conditions and individual fatigue in a safe environment. If the weather turns bad a quick descent can be made which gets you back in the shelter of the trees.

From the summit you descend from the northwest corner of the Tip-Top House along the Trinity Heights Connector, then northwest on the Gulfside Trail. Passing the Clay Summit Loop the Gulfside soon reaches the Jewell Trail which is a relatively easy grade on tired legs for the descent. Follow it back to the parking lot skipping the detour to Marshfield Station which will leave you shy of your car and will leave you a roadwalk to reach it.

Taking the Jewell Trail on the descent leaves you exposed to oncoming weather for a slightly longer period, but descending Ammo in the rain can be quite difficult, so it's a matter of preference that could be argued ad nauseum.

Be sure to bring plenty of food and water, though it can be had at the summit, providing you reach it. That said, don't forge on to the summit in bad conditions, rain or freezing rain. Good, sturdy boots or trail shoes are essential. Bad weather gear, at least a waterproof-breathable shell and a fleece pullover. Fast drying polyester clothing is the best, cotton is the worst. You'll be sweaty upon reaching the summit and the lower temps and always present wind will cool you down fast. A hiking pole or poles is always helpful.

There, I think I covered it all!

Good luck and don't forget to post a trip report w/ pictures!

KDT

mtheibert
07-15-2008, 06:22 PM
There are several sources for online White Mountains maps:

TheTrailWiki created by one of the forum members here. See this thread for details: http://www.mountwashington.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3240 (http://www.mountwashington.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3240&highlight=wmgonline)

AMC White Mountain Guide Online: http://www.wmgonline.org/
This is a subscription based service that costs $12/yr for AMC members and $15/yr for non-members. It contains all of the trails with the full descriptions and information that are in the printed White Mountain Guide. You can interactively create trips using your own routes or the suggested routes from the guide. The routes can then be printed in the format that's in the PDF I attached or exported for viewing in Google Earth. I use this tool constantly for trip planning and think it is more than worth the $12. You can also get a free account and try out many of the features.

Google Earth also shows most of the trails in the White Mountains but they aren't labeled (which doesn't help much unless you have another reference).

You can get some really good descriptions (but not maps) on Mohamed Ellozy's site here: http://home.earthlink.net/~ellozy/ (http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eellozy/)

Good luck with your hike and welcome to the forum! Look forward to your trip reports and photos after the trip.
MTruman, thanks for the links. The wiki one is pretty impressive, and the other two are great!

mtheibert
07-15-2008, 06:28 PM
When you map out that route the 2 sections are roughly the same distance with the total loop being 6.95 miles - roughly.

http://images116.fotki.com/v695/photos/8/8235/242566/ammoloop-vi.jpg
Brad, thanks for taking the time to map this out. Both really highlighted the difference in distance. Your insight into Pinkham is something we hadn't accounted for yet. We're still 'discussing' which will be the best route, but personally I would rather trade the drive time for more route time or more sleep! So I am lobbying for Ammo-Jewell (or some deviation off of it) - the pics and report will let you guys know what we decided. At this point it might be a game time (or 12 hour car ride) decision.

Looks like weather is going to hold for the weekend, and we are getting excited. Thanks for all of your help.

mtheibert
07-15-2008, 06:28 PM
If you're staying at Dry River you definitely want to climb from the west, probably using the Ammo-Jewell Loop, though there are longer alternatives. Hiking from the east via Tucks or Lion Head would mean about a 40-45 mile drive in the morning, then again after the hike to get back to the CG.

Trailheads are clearly marked on Base Road just before reaching Marshfield Station. A loop from either direction, up Ammo-down Jewell or vice-versa can be made from this parking area.

KDT
Thanks KDTalbot.

mtheibert
07-15-2008, 06:33 PM
Ammo Jewell makes the most sense if you are staying at Dry River. If you find the route too short you can always circumnavigate around the summit and visit the Alpine Garden.

I'll throw in my usual pitch. Make sure you get a real map of Mount Washington. I suggest getting the White Mountain Guide book as well. You can probably leave the book in the car, but don't hike without a map. FYI, the book comes with all the maps you need.
Thanks Bill. Actually, one of our other hikers got the White Mountain guide book, so we should be in good shape - once we decide that is.