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Moxie
06-11-2009, 11:25 AM
Came across this on another forum

http://tinyurl.com/nz33mt

Right up there with going up in the van with Ryan in the driver's seat!

CHRIS
06-11-2009, 11:41 AM
HOLY CRAP :eek: as much as I would love to see a bear I do not believe I would want to be that close. I definetley would have had to change my shorts when I got to the top if she did not eat me first.

JimS
06-11-2009, 12:08 PM
Whoa...very cool!

Breeze
06-11-2009, 12:23 PM
Yes,this is the reason every traveler on the Auto Road now receives a "Bear Alert". Drivers/passengers are reminded NOT to leave the vehicle for pics, or offer food, and riders are advised NOT to stop for Photo Ops.

There are a LOT of folks ( Road Staff, Obs Staff, State Parks Staff, as well as NHFG and USFS) pretty concerned about this particular bear situation. It is not a good thing for the bears to get habituated to close human contact. This is a young sow, her cubs are very small, and she hasn't a clue that her behavior is a danger to herself and her cubs.


No one at MW in any capacity wants to see a NHFG intervention become necessary.


Breeze

mtruman
06-11-2009, 06:13 PM
YIKES :eek::eek::eek:

mrohssler
06-11-2009, 06:15 PM
Not a swift move. You endangered both yourself and the bear family. You for the obvious reasons and the bears by making them trust people and getting them used to being around man and machine. Just my opinion

Knapper
06-11-2009, 08:16 PM
Right up there with going up in the van with Ryan in the driver's seat!

I hope I am not the "Ryan" being quoted. If so, I hope my driving isn't as bad as being attached by a bear.

We had heard about motorcyclist but didn't know there were pics.

Unfortunately, I hope NHFG steps in and removes them. Yeah, they are cool but two things make me feel this way. First, it is only a matter of time, warnings or not, that a tourist gets badly injured by mama. Or two, one of the cubs gets run over. Mama is big but the cubs, currently, are about the size of Marty the summit cat. Eiether way, I would hate to see us or them getting hurt.

That being said, the obs crew (ie, me and the rest of the down going shift) saw the three little bears. Here is what I captured while slowly driving by and staying in the van.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3599/3618345938_bb25aee6b8.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3299/3617527107_a50b33565c.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3329/3617529261_64e9ac772a.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2452/3617530809_e8d15a8734.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3384/3618353228_c1b867c410.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/3618355116_00edaeea89.jpg

And the other mammal of the summit:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3312/3617536785_71c8e38c50.jpg

JimS
06-12-2009, 05:59 AM
Awesome pics as well Ryan...

I just signed up at the other forum to PM the rider, in hopes she would submit the photos for the photojournal...or perhaps windswept if Marty would like.

Such a unique event, I hope she responds!

Brad
06-12-2009, 09:55 AM
Yes,this is the reason every traveler on the Auto Road now receives a "Bear Alert". Drivers/passengers are reminded NOT to leave the vehicle for pics, or offer food, and riders are advised NOT to stop for Photo Ops.

Breeze
Breeze,

Another question to ask is if they have food on the motorcycle. If they do, the whole pack should be left with you at the Toll House. The food smell could be too inviting to them.

Breeze
06-12-2009, 10:31 PM
Brad, you are spot on about the " food in the pack", I appreciate your understanding

"how-sum-ever" tomorrow starts the week++long marathon of "bike week" and over the next 7-10 days we will host something close in number to 10 K (not a typo, thats ten thousand) motorcycles on the road if weather and previous experience hold. Thats a lot of packs and space and negotiation ( and much of it en francais, for which few of us have the en francais vocabulary).

Optimists among us hope that the constant roar of straight pipe Harley's for the next ten days will send this sow and her cubs deeper into the woods.

She NEEDS to find browse elsewhere, and I talked with the AMC trail host for Madison Gulf Trail today. He may need to re-evaluate his scheduled trail work, to accommodate Ursa because she is stubbornly claiming "residence" between 2 mile park and Meiko's Bridge. That is a major trail junction ( Old Jackson Rd, Nelson's Crag, Madison Gulf/ AT, and the Lowe's Bald Spot walk). He wasn't happy to hear it. That conversation left me sad.

Its a hard thing to live and teach. Leave wildlife alone for THEIR lives sake.

Its another learning experience.

Breeze

Knapper
06-13-2009, 10:50 AM
This was a featured story on yahoo's home page today:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090613/ap_on_re_us/us_bear_encounters

Breeze
06-13-2009, 07:37 PM
Ryan, thanks for that link!

Its a great article and "bears out" ( sorry, thats REALLY bad) what we are seeing in terms of "population explosion".

I'm trying to comfort myself that Yellowstone, Yosemite and All--of-Alaska (as well as MANY lesser known destinations) are still trying to come to grips with this ongoing problem. This is our own chapter, this one is now ours to struggle through.

Breeze

Patrad Fischroy
06-13-2009, 08:52 PM
This is a problem all over. Here in the Denver area as people have been encroaching more and more in the bear habitats there are ever more encounters. The bears here are on a one strike rule, the first time they have to be dealt with they are darted with a tranquilizer and moved back into the woods but marked with an ear tag. If they are caught in town again its a death sentence for them.

Michael
05-08-2010, 10:37 PM
I took the pictures that started this thread, I feel there are some things that need to be addressed.

1. We did not stop for the bears. The bears stopped for us. Antifreeze leaking from the cooling system of my wife's ST forced us to stop. We chose that spot because it was reasonably level and had good sightlines up and down the road. Had we known about the turnout about 1/2 mile up, we may have chosen that location instead. Because we have pets and I don't like the thought of intentionally poisoning animals, I use antifreeze with a bittering agent that makes it quite unpalatable. The only problem is it still smells sweet, so it'll still bring in critters to taste test.
2. The food in the pack was not bear proofed. We did not anticipate having a bear investigate our menu. Should the bag have been left at the toll house? I don't know. To the best of my knowledge, this is the first such encounter on the Auto Road, so predicting the event would not have been easy.

If there are any questions, I'm happy to answer them.

Snow Miser
05-09-2010, 06:09 PM
No questions, but I do remember those pictures from last year. They are awesome!:)

CHRIS
05-09-2010, 08:11 PM
I agree with Bob. They are incredable shots. I have but one question. Did your wife have to change her shorts at the top?
I know if it were me I would have.:eek:

Charlie
05-09-2010, 09:59 PM
I agree with Bob. They are incredable shots. I have but one question. Did your wife have to change her shorts at the top?
I know if it were me I would have.:eek:

chris you dont have shorts on remember you have a kilt

Michael
06-03-2010, 05:23 PM
I agree with Bob. They are incredable shots. I have but one question. Did your wife have to change her shorts at the top?
I know if it were me I would have.:eek:

She claims she did.

I bought her a small stuffed bear at the gift shop in the Adams building, the bear now accompanies us on all our motorcycle trips.

Seliarap
06-12-2010, 03:31 PM
I was out on a hike a while back and came around a corner

and there was a bear in the trail and I completely lost my head

and screamed and the bear turned around and saw me and

then ran off into the woods.

I looked all around through the woods

to see if there were any cubs.

I wondered if it was safe to go on down the trail. Then as I went on

down to my car, I saw this bear that ran off and it was back in the woods

staring at me.

I'm wondering how many of them react this way

around these parts. I would like to think they ALL run away

when you scream.

I have heard you should yell and wave your arms at

them.

LeonReynolds
12-08-2010, 10:59 PM
Wow that looks cool! But as good as that looks I still would not want to be that close to such a powerful animal. Especially next to momma and her cubs.