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hobbes
08-31-2010, 11:14 AM
For some reason, Mrs. Hobbes wants to replace the '92 Civic (original owners!). Something about the cubs being more protected in a newer model. So, being loyal Obs' members, we're considering a Subaru. Given what appears to be a number of Subaru owners in these forums, this seems like a logical place to ask for advice. So here goes:

We're trying to decide between the Legacy & Outback. The front cabin of both appears to be the same, and even the overall length & width is nearly identical. So, other than the Outback's additional rear cargo space and roof rack, any major differences?

I keep reading about issues on the Outback with vibrating steering wheels and a less than comfortable driver seat. Anyone experience any of these issues? What year/model?

Did you purchase through the VIP program? Any pros/cons/issues?

Thanks!

redthorne
08-31-2010, 11:56 PM
I am a Suby owner, but I have a WRX wagon so I cannot directly answer your questions above. I can suggest, however, if you are looking for a summary of specs that run the gamut of pricing (list, mfg, etc) to mechanical, of all Subarus, check out http://cars101.com That website is quite popular in the Subaru enthusiast community. I can also recommend a perusal of http://forums.nasioc.com/ This site is geared primarily towards the performance enthusiast but there are specific subforums for Outback, Forester, and Outback XT models.

I purchased my 06 brand new through the VIP program and had no hassles. Custom ordered right from Japan. (WRXs come from Japan, I think Outbacks come from a factory in the midwest) All accessories purchased and installed on the original ticket should be at the VIP program price. Let it be known, however, that another friend of mine who purchased an Outback went shopping before invoking his VIP program and it turned out that he got the car cheaper than what he would have had he used the VIP program. The dealer was just desperate to get rid of brand new but last-year's model of vehicle.

Hope this helps
-Chris

Brad
09-05-2010, 09:34 PM
We have lost count of the number of Subarus we have owned. It is all my wife will have - and it has to be an Outback. I love being able to know she can drive safely through any kind of weather and conditions - and she has. There have been times others could not drive up an icy hill and she just drove on through - no problem. The couple of Legacy wagons we had were a long time ago so our feedback would not be valid.

The 2010 Outback is bigger - more legroom - more headroom - more road clearance - and a significantly smoother ride with the new transmission. I have towed a trailer - no problem. Even with the 4-cyl there is plenty of power. Everyone who rides in it likes the smooth ride. Since January 1st I have over 20,000 miles on the car and love driving it. I see no problem with the driver's seat. Everything fits well and is comfortable.

CHRIS
09-06-2010, 09:55 AM
We just purchased a 2011 Outback 331 miles ago. We have been getting 22.5 mpg city. We got the Prmium with the 4 cyl auto with the moonroof and Brad is right this engine is a peppy little engine. Could be due to the 4 valves per cyl. I had one issue which if you do a google search on it you will find it. Steering wheel shake and vibration.I sent it in last Friday to install the remote start and bug shield and they rebalanced all 4 tires. I can still feel it a little exspecially when going 65-70 on the highway and turning slightly. Other than that we love this car. As far as the MWO discount I saved quite a bit more when I went in to my local dealer and he still gave me the WMO discount which is basically between 2-3% off. I am just going to give the 100.00 on my STP page that the Obsevatory would have rec.

BlueDog
09-06-2010, 10:24 AM
The main difference in the Legacy and Outback is the ride height. Outback is an "off-road" package of the Legacy. Unfortunately, this model generation, Subaru stopped bringing over the Legacy wagon. So, if you need a wagon, you have to get the Outback package.

hobbes
09-06-2010, 10:41 AM
can still feel it a little exspecially when going 65-70 on the highway and turning slightly. Other than that we love this car. As far as the MWO discount I saved quite a bit more when I went in to my local dealer and he still gave me the WMO discount which is basically between 2-3% off. How annoying is the shake? Any indication Subaru will do a recall given all the complaints?

So, did you negotiate a price, then they dropped it an additional 2-3%?

FisherCat
09-06-2010, 01:21 PM
First, I'll say this, my family has known nothing but Subarus as far back as I can recall. The first I remember is our white, double pin-stripe blue Yama Yagi model. That was, well, awhile ago.

Now my own family has a 2005 Outback Legacy Wagon with the Boxer turbo. I WOULD HIGHLY recommend getting a extended manufacturers warranty. We have had to use it twice within the first year of purchase (which was 2006) and it saved us $. Since then, getting its bugs cleared out, not a single problem, just routine maintenance. I swear by our Subarus, past and present.

As for the shaking around 65-70 on interstates, we do experience it, but is not a major issue. Most of the time I don't even notice it unless I think of it first. We have our Subaru balanced on a regular basis to prevent it.

Hope you enjoy your purchase!

CHRIS
09-06-2010, 08:08 PM
Since I had it in and they rebalanced the tires it is considerablly better.There is still a small amount of vibration but very much tolerable. There is 2 TSB's out already and on some of them they still cannot get rid of the vibration and supposedly Sub. of America cannot figure it out. On one of the TSB's they put 14 hours labor into it changing the steering wheel,install a smaller spring in the Rack and do some kind of shimming in the motor mounts and some people say it did not help. I have a feeling there is some people out there that might just never be happy. We are fully happy with ours now and I will just watch and make sure it don't comeback.
Here is some of the links I found the night our Outback went in and after reading it I did not get much sleep that night.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f1f2a74/0

http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/

http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/108-steering-wheel-shake-issues/26971-just-got-shake-tsb-done-results-poll-5.html

Bill O
09-06-2010, 08:56 PM
I have an '02 Outback H6-3.0 wagon. It's a great car, and you can't beat it for the snow. I think the newer models have more room, but at 6'1" my seat is all the way down and back. If I was any taller it would be cramped. My only complaint is the brakes. My rotors are constantly warping and the brake pads wear down much faster than they should.

We tried the VIP program with a trade-in and it was a disaster. They gave us a great price on the new car (great, but any good deal maker could get there too), but they totally screwed us on the trade-in. It was a deal breaker for us, but Subaru is still on the top of my list for a new car.

donnellyvj
10-04-2010, 05:50 PM
We accept the VIP. I'm the sales manager at MetroWest Subaru if you ever need help!

VJ

Brad
10-04-2010, 08:27 PM
We accept the VIP. I'm the sales manager at MetroWest Subaru if you ever need help!

VJ
Which "MetroWest"? What state and area do you cover?

donnellyvj
10-05-2010, 02:42 PM
Brad,
MetroWest Subaru in Natick, Ma. I can give values for a trade without the trip here if someone lives out of the area. This way it's only one trip to pick up a new or used Subaru. If anyone would like to order a new Subaru I can do a little btter than the VIP program...

VJ 508.315.5166

fitzpatrick84
10-11-2010, 03:10 PM
First, we just bought our 4th Subaru ('10 Impreza) through the VIP program - Do it! It was easy to request through MWO and then we got a great price without any haggling. I'm usually good at bargaining, but it was great to skip that part of the car buying experience.

We also own an '05 Outback and one of the big differences between the Legacy and the Outback is the suspension; it is raised and stiffer in the Outback. This makes the Outback better set up for dirt/gravel roads, but you pay a penalty during highway driving. The Outback seats are firm and when combined with the stiff suspension, it can be a bit tiring on a long trip. Again, that's from an '05. I've driven the new Legacy sedan (nice ride, but seat cushions seemed a tad short for me), but haven't driven the new Outback - you should probably do both back-to-back. The steering wheel vibe could be a few different things that are easy to fix, we have not experienced it.

If it weren't for the "cubs" (ours are grown), the Impreza would be an easier transition from the civic. It's closer in size with a whole list of safety features that weren't even around in '92. But with multiple kids, the Legacy/Outback is probably the way to go. Any of them will get you to the next trailhead.

Good luck!
- Matt

whitemtnvisitor
10-11-2010, 09:23 PM
Here's my 06 Outback. I love the car. I will have to say I'm not thrilled about the Outback becoming more SUV like style wise. I thought that's what the Tribeca was for. However, I've been impressed with my & others Subaru's for their reliability.
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Brad
10-12-2010, 06:08 AM
Here's my 06 Outback. I love the car. I will have to say I'm not thrilled about the Outback becoming more SUV like style wise. I thought that's what the Tribeca was for. However, I've been impressed with my & others Subaru's for their reliability.
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Yes, the 2010 Outback is a bit bigger. But, I have several customers who would normally find it hard to fit in - never mind ride in all day - an older Subaru. And they have no complaints about the 2010 Outback. Wear a hat and still have head room. You notice the extra size when a 2010 or 2011 is next to an older Subaru (like in my garage). I am not big and getting into the driver's seat is even easier with the new models. The extra road clearance is nice in snow - no issue at all.

CHRIS
10-12-2010, 07:12 AM
We have a 2011 Outback and we took it North a few weeks ago and put over 800 miles on it and We found it very comfortable on long hwy runs. We find the seats very comfortable even thou they are a bit stiff.Of course the mpg was AWESOME.We do have a bit of a steering wheel vibration @ hwy speeds that I will be bringing to the service manager attn when we get our oil changed.

aloegel
12-01-2010, 11:42 PM
For some reason, Mrs. Hobbes wants to replace the '92 Civic (original owners!). Something about the cubs being more protected in a newer model. So, being loyal Obs' members, we're considering a Subaru. Given what appears to be a number of Subaru owners in these forums, this seems like a logical place to ask for advice. So here goes:

We're trying to decide between the Legacy & Outback. The front cabin of both appears to be the same, and even the overall length & width is nearly identical. So, other than the Outback's additional rear cargo space and roof rack, any major differences?

I keep reading about issues on the Outback with vibrating steering wheels and a less than comfortable driver seat. Anyone experience any of these issues? What year/model?

Did you purchase through the VIP program? Any pros/cons/issues?

Thanks!

I have driven my friend's Outback (2008) and it's un-stoppable in snow.

Brad
12-02-2010, 09:13 AM
I am the proud winner of the 2010 Subaru Outback from STP 2009. And today is my (very sad) turn-in day as the year is up this month AND the 30,000 miles allowed on the lease will be used up by end of day. I have 150 miles to go till 30,000 miles. I have driven the car through Mud Season, snowbanks, deep snow, ice and it has been a champ in every way. Extremely safe to drive and very comfortable. We have had 5 or 6 other Subarus (and that is all my wife will accept for herself) and the 2010 is soooo much nicer. More head room, higher clearance, more leg room, just more comfortable all around.

I lost count but I think I drove this car up Mt Washington 12 times this summer. The variable transmission is so smooth and easy to work with. I expect they will tell me when I turn the car in that everything is in top shape. Even with doing a Mt Washington Auto Road I have always gotten over 30 MPG and normally around 32 MPG.

It is nice knowing my wife is driving a Subaru because I know it can go through anything.