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Brad
06-16-2007, 09:46 AM
Sunrise this morning with the images being 20 seconds apart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO1l6yE-p60

Steve M
06-16-2007, 06:43 PM
Nice sunrise this morning. Would have liked to have been there.

Charlie
06-16-2007, 07:39 PM
thanks brad that explains it

Brad
06-17-2007, 06:43 PM
Sunrise this morning had some nice clouds (and a small spider running across the lens)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eug1cG6uNOM

Steve M
06-17-2007, 11:14 PM
That was a great sunrise. The spider was a nice touch as well. Also couldn't help noticing the clouds moving the opposite direction than the morning before. I've forgotten which direction the camera is facing so I couldn't tell which way the clouds were moving.

Brad
06-18-2007, 05:11 AM
That was a great sunrise. The spider was a nice touch as well. Also couldn't help noticing the clouds moving the opposite direction than the morning before. I've forgotten which direction the camera is facing so I couldn't tell which way the clouds were moving.
The camera faces east (sunrise direction).

Steve M
06-18-2007, 06:28 AM
The camera faces east (sunrise direction).
ya know, you would think I would have gotten that since the sun ALWAYS rises in the east!:o Oh well, I was exhausted and should have been sleeping.

Brad
06-18-2007, 07:19 AM
ya know, you would think I would have gotten that since the sun ALWAYS rises in the east!:o Oh well, I was exhausted and should have been sleeping.
One of the major topics the MWO deals with is weather. There are lots of aspects of weather that are really cool. Sun rises in the east - it gets light - sets in the west. Really cool how it does that every day.

When I saw your question I started laughing out loud. :cool: I knew that if you thought for even a second it would be clear. Sorry, I had to have fun with my reply.

6288
06-18-2007, 07:46 AM
Well, as Yogi Berra said, "It gets late early out there"

Brad
06-18-2007, 02:46 PM
I was thinking of replying that the sun rises to the east, but the camera is looking at it from the other side.

Brad
06-18-2007, 04:45 PM
I just sent off an old web camera to be serviced. Assuming they can fix it and the cost is not too bad, the question is where to mount it. This model can be wired or wireless.

One option is to mount it to the joists of the deck facing the lake. This easily be wire or wireless. The view would be like http://longlake.homeip.net:8002/img/main_fs.htm which must be viewed in Internet Explorer. In the summer there are lots of trees - but, in the winter the view of the lake opens up.

Another option would be to mount it on the north facing wall of the small building my son and I use as our office. This is right on the water (some trees) and the view north on the lake is nice. Here is the view

http://images24.fotki.com/v768/photos/8/8235/3748655/IMG_5520a-vi.jpg

What would you recommend and why?

Charlie
06-18-2007, 08:21 PM
that does look nice :) :) :)

we should talk to the people of the MWO and see about putting a web cam up top .not sure what is needed ,probably a better Internet connection ?:D

and then have brad set them up with something ;) ;) if we have to start a fund drive for this I'll pitch in .:) :)

Brad
06-18-2007, 08:50 PM
I do believe all the web cameras for MWO can do video as well as still images. They update on the web site every 15 minutes - but, they could select a more frequent interval. A key driver for less frequent is the cost of the Internet connection. The MWO web site does get a lot of visitors each day. They could bury the organization with their video and image viewing.

So, a major fund raising event would certainly help - if that is near the top of their priorities. I know I would find the extra dollars to become a PVV - Premium Video Viewer.

Charlie
06-18-2007, 08:57 PM
I know I would find the extra dollars to become a PVV - Premium Video Viewer.


me to how about the rest of the group

Brad
06-18-2007, 09:03 PM
me to how about the rest of the group
(standing up) I admit - I am a web camera addict. Especially when it comes to MWO and Maine.

They updated this one in NC http://www.avalonpier.com/wavecam.html

Charlie
06-18-2007, 09:10 PM
nice i will have to check it out in the day time ,just some people out on a cool night .

Steve M
06-18-2007, 10:41 PM
I was thinking of replying that the sun rises to the east, but the camera is looking at it from the other side.
And if I had read that last night I would have probably pondered that one for a while...LOL.

Steve M
06-18-2007, 10:53 PM
me to how about the rest of the group
I think that would be great. I don't know how much it would cost to do it but I would be willing to contribute what I could!

Brad
06-19-2007, 06:26 AM
I think that would be great. I don't know how much it would cost to do it but I would be willing to contribute what I could!
I do not know how business Internet connection upgrades are priced today. It used to be in major jumps in speed - and price. When the new power lines get put to the summit it is possible higher speed data cables will be put in too. Getting down off the summit with a high speed connection is a part of the solution.

Time Warner Cable bought the Adelphia service in Maine last year. TWC has committed to upgrade all the old Adelphia cables at the street level by the end of this year. To get ready for this we just buried 200 feet of new cable from the cabin to the telephone pole. In our case the cable was provided by TWC. Getting to the summit is a costly deal though.

KD Talbot
06-19-2007, 06:26 AM
Am I missing something here? There are already 3 webcams on the summit and 2 more besides, aren't there? What am I not getting?
KDT

Brad
06-19-2007, 06:35 AM
Am I missing something here? There are already 3 webcams on the summit and 2 more besides, aren't there? What am I not getting?
KDT
The North, West and Deck cameras are web cameras at the summit. Plus, there are the Ravines and Presidentials cameras which transmit their images to the summit. Then all the images get sent down to the base. Cameras like these can typically capture images at 2.5 to 30 frames a second. MWO is selecting the images every 15 minutes to be displayed on the web site.

This is like my lake camera. When in the cabin looking at the web page I see the images rolling almost smoothly - because I am on the house network. From the Internet I see an image every second or so - because of the upload speed out of the cabin. The images on my Fotki site get updated every 2 minutes. I can select how often the images are available on Fotki.

To see the MWO images flowing (not just every 15 minutes), MWO would have to increase the speed of their link between the summit and the base station - and then through their Internet Service Provider. This costs money.

Steve M
06-19-2007, 07:39 AM
Well, I can't see them spending lots of money on an internet connection fast enough to stream video just for viewing pleasure. If they could benefit from the faster speeds for other reasons (scientific) that would be different.

Steve M
06-19-2007, 07:57 AM
I've got one...how about a "Goofer Cam"...a research project studying goofer behavior on the obs deck...:D

Brad
06-19-2007, 08:51 AM
I will make due with my LakeCam and a morning view like this:

http://images23.fotki.com/v875/photos/8/8235/4962265/LV0320070619083722000N-vi.jpg

KD Talbot
06-19-2007, 11:23 AM
OK I get it now, you want more frequent updates from the summit, not more cameras. That's what I didn't get.

I'm really considering getting a cam for my deck to share with you guys. It's tough to leave for work in the morning when you look out and see a view similar to Brad's. At least I could watch the sunrise over my lake from work.

KDT

RI Swamp Yankee
06-19-2007, 12:51 PM
.... What would you recommend and why?
I think we should all come for the weekend to view it in person to choose the best spot :rolleyes:

Brad
06-19-2007, 01:27 PM
I think we should all come for the weekend to view it in person to choose the best spot :rolleyes:
That sounds like a great suggestion . . .

Charlie
06-19-2007, 08:46 PM
That sounds like a great suggestion . . .


your right it it hard to pick a spot until you can get a realistic look at the spot :D :D

Brad
06-19-2007, 09:49 PM
your right it it hard to pick a spot until you can get a realistic look at the spot :D :D
Maybe we use the office by the lake for the summer and the deck for the winter ... The URLs would have to change as our friend's house has a different one from ours (longlake.homeip.net).

Patrad Fischroy
06-20-2007, 08:59 AM
Well, I can't see them spending lots of money on an internet connection fast enough to stream video just for viewing pleasure. If they could benefit from the faster speeds for other reasons (scientific) that would be different.

My guess is that they could benefit, one big thing would be the possibility of maintaining servers off the mountain where power supplies may be more dependable. This also brings up another subject, has there been any recent word on the proposed project to bring wired power to the summit? I recall some conversation on this about a year ago. This would also provide some increased reliability in my opinion. Plus the incremental cost to add a few strands of fiber along the route would be minimal. At a minimum they could also transmit signal to the base using broadband over powerline (BPL).

hobbes
06-20-2007, 07:46 PM
So, any interest in a Chocorua cam? I've been toying around with setting one up. The view would be from the East. Here are a few shots from a digital camera (all from inside the house behind glass and w/little if any zoom).

http://www.zakon.org/chocorua/IMG_1487.jpg http://www.zakon.org/chocorua/IMG_4260.jpg

http://www.zakon.org/chocorua/IMG_2958.jpg

http://www.zakon.org/chocorua/IMG_2571.jpg http://www.zakon.org/chocorua/IMG_2492.jpg

Brad
06-20-2007, 08:40 PM
So, any interest in a Chocorua cam? I've been toying around with setting one up. The view would be from the East. Here are a few shots from a digital camera (all from inside the house behind glass and w/little if any zoom).

http://www.zakon.org/chocorua/IMG_2958.jpg

This one would be awesome all seasons of the year. All in favor say aye. Aye!

Charlie
06-20-2007, 08:59 PM
Aye Aye Aye :D :D :D

KD Talbot
06-20-2007, 09:11 PM
I would definitely like to see this happen. Chocorua may not be on the 4000 footer list, but it is still a great mountain to climb, and maybe the most picturesque. We like to call it "The Matterhorn".

KDT

Brad
06-20-2007, 09:37 PM
We were talking before about night time viewing in a web camera. It is 9:30 PM in Maine and completely dark outside. It would be hard to walk down the gravel road in the woods - with no street lights. Here is the view as seen by the lake Cam.

http://images25.fotki.com/v903/photos/8/8235/4962265/LV0320070620213325000N-vi.jpg

Steve M
06-20-2007, 10:51 PM
Wow Brad,

that is amazing how bright it seems, you can see everything as if it were just dusk.

Steve M
06-20-2007, 10:53 PM
So, any interest in a Chocorua cam? I've been toying around with setting one up. The view would be from the East. Here are a few shots from a digital camera (all from inside the house behind glass and w/little if any zoom).

Only if that camera can take a picture of the sunrise while pointing west!:D :D

Brad
06-21-2007, 04:47 AM
Only if that camera can take a picture of the sunrise while pointing west!:D :D
He has plenty of open space with no trees in the way to do this. Just put the camera high enough.

Brad
06-21-2007, 04:49 AM
Wow Brad,

that is amazing how bright it seems, you can see everything as if it were just dusk.
Just after I posted that picture the image started to get very grainy and then turned darker quite quickly. 9:30 PM was the limit of a pretty clear image.

hobbes
06-21-2007, 08:43 AM
He has plenty of open space with no trees in the way to do this. Just put the camera high enough.
I may put it on the second floor, which would then also provide a sliver view of Conway Lake. And yes, both sunrises and sunsets can be truly awesome.

Now, to raid the kids college fund to buy a decent camera...

Steve M
06-21-2007, 08:59 AM
I'm not so sure the second floor will be high enough to catch the sunrise.;)

Brad
06-21-2007, 09:14 AM
My first good web camera actually was given to me by my son. So, raiding the college fund now seems like a good plan. Thank them later.

hobbes
06-21-2007, 12:34 PM
I'm not so sure the second floor will be high enough to catch the sunrise.;)
What!? You never heard of a mirror;) Of course it would depend on your definition of sunrise -- over the horizon at sea level, at my location facing East, at the international date line (in which case I can probably capture it facing West?)

So, given the whole long thread on what webcams to buy, what's the current consensus on the best bang for the buck in consumer grade webcams?

Brad
06-21-2007, 12:53 PM
My view is that Toshiba and Panasonic have the best mid-level outdoor options. Panasonic has better zoom. Toshiba has better image quality. Prices are close between them. Panasonic has more models to pick from. I like the Power Over Ethernet option for simplicity.

Brad
06-24-2007, 10:03 AM
Sunrise this morning was very nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SiWwAfyjEE

Steve M
06-24-2007, 10:15 AM
That was nice. I like to watch the fog form just over the water. It's cool.

Brad
06-24-2007, 11:47 AM
That was nice. I like to watch the fog form just over the water. It's cool.
Almost like being there . . .

6288
06-25-2007, 07:39 PM
Spiders in the dome...

http://home.comcast.net/~smdamelio/spider.jpg

Charlie
06-25-2007, 08:20 PM
now that looks cool

Brad
06-25-2007, 08:46 PM
I think my morning view was better than that visitor.

http://images26.fotki.com/v888/photos/8/8235/4962265/LV0320070625045801000N-vi.jpg

Steve M
06-26-2007, 02:02 AM
I think my morning view was better than that visitor.

http://images26.fotki.com/v888/photos/8/8235/4962265/LV0320070625045801000N-vi.jpg
now there is a sunrise shot worth noting!! Beautiful!

Charlie
06-26-2007, 06:30 PM
i for one hate it :mad: :mad: :mad:

thats because I'm not there to see it :( :( :(

Brad
06-26-2007, 07:33 PM
The sunrise this morning did not have much color - but, plenty of clouds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UbUC5dLhow

Charlie
06-28-2007, 07:30 PM
a little choppy on the lake to night and a young man was putting a cover on the boat ,so he must have bin out today .
still looks nice out there .:D

Brad
06-28-2007, 08:38 PM
a little choppy on the lake to night and a young man was putting a cover on the boat ,so he must have bin out today .
still looks nice out there .:D
So funny!

I was in the car driving home after work today - and the lake web camera was up and running. I saw my son putting the cover back on the boat and the camera started moving all over the place. Someone was checking things for sure. I pinged my daughter in NC on Yahoo Messenger and asked if she was moving the camera. Nope.Must have been someone else. It was Hawk!

Charlie
06-29-2007, 08:57 AM
yep 1 of 3 or 4 times a day :D

6288
06-29-2007, 12:01 PM
I put a wireless camera in the bird feeder (with a solar panel on the roof to power it). I stuck it in the marsh last weekend to test it out. Seems to be holding it's own. I have to straighten out the camera this weekend (it's mounted a bit crooked). Surprised the heck out of this guy...

http://home.comcast.net/~smdamelio/bird.jpg

hobbes
06-29-2007, 12:53 PM
I put a wireless camera in the bird feeder (with a solar panel on the roof to power it). What camera did you use? Be neat to couple it with a motion sensor...

6288
06-29-2007, 02:37 PM
What camera did you use? Be neat to couple it with a motion sensor...

It is a Panasonic BL-C30A. It does have a motion sensor, that is actually how the photo was taken. The camera saved it in it's buffer when it detected the bird in flight.

Charlie
06-29-2007, 04:21 PM
now that looks coooooool

hobbes
06-29-2007, 07:28 PM
It is a Panasonic BL-C30A. What's your solar set up for this (5 or 10W)? Would be interested in which panel & other hardware you used.

6288
06-29-2007, 10:50 PM
It's a 10W panel with a 17Ah battery. Puts out about 600mA at up to 17V. The camera draws around 300mA at times(12v), so it's pretty tight right now. I am going to see what the state of the battery is this weekend (percent of full charge).

Steve M
06-29-2007, 10:58 PM
It is a Panasonic BL-C30A. It does have a motion sensor, that is actually how the photo was taken. The camera saved it in it's buffer when it detected the bird in flight.
That must be the best shot I've seen from a webcam. That is awesome!!

Steve M
06-30-2007, 06:47 AM
I didn't know the mountain doubled as a cotton candy machine!:D

http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/cam/ravines/sunrise1.jpg

Charlie
06-30-2007, 08:11 AM
yes that is a new fund raiser

Brad
06-30-2007, 02:21 PM
We are heading north - stuck at the drawbridge in Portsmouth, NH waiting for a sailboat to go through. It is so nice out - compared to NC. The lake looks windy.

The lake web camera is open for access at http://longlake.homeip.net:8003

M_Six
06-30-2007, 10:21 PM
What a gorgeous view. :cool:

M_Six
07-01-2007, 10:43 AM
Hey Brad,

The frame rate on that video of the lake is pretty sweet. What do you have for an internet connection there? Must be some serious upload speed.

Brad
07-01-2007, 11:36 AM
Hey Brad,

The frame rate on that video of the lake is pretty sweet. What do you have for an internet connection there? Must be some serious upload speed.
The frame rate here in the house is about 7.5 frames per second. (that is the max setting I selected at the camera. The camera can go to 30 frames per second.) Looking at the camera from outside the house I have measured about 3-4 frames per second at times. The image is very small since the viewing image is 960x480 and it is compressed one setting at the camera.

Over the past year i have worked with Adelphia and now Time Warner to improve the upload speed. I have run traces from inside the house out to help.rr.com (to stay within their network) and then have shown them the graphs - which were very bad due to the extreme packet loss. A lot of the packet loss is gone but there is still too much left for my liking at times. I had to go through this same exercise in NC with Time Warner and will be doing it again as the connection quality had gotten bad again there. The key factor is packet loss from what I have seen. A quick speed test is fine. A ping from the support center is fine. But, run from inside the house and the Quality of Service is bad. I use PingPlotter.com's tool to produce the trace and graphs.

Using the Vonage speed test right now I am getting 2.88 Mbps download and 1.23Mbps upload. The test site is at https://www.vonage.com/help.php?article=497&category=73&nav=6
This test site also shows Quality of Service and this test had 95%. That is a very good connection.

Time Warner is upgrading their wires in Maine now that they have purchased Adelphia up here. Since we were ripping up our front "lawn", ripping up a portion of the driveway and burying power lines, we got 200 feet of the upgraded cable from Time Warner and have buried that from the pole to the house. Next week that will be connected on Friday morning. That will put us in a better position from a quality standpoint also.

You are right - the upload speed at the house is critical.

M_Six
07-01-2007, 01:35 PM
Sweet. We get close to 3.5Mbps download, but only recently they upped the upload speed to 512k. I'd gladly give up 1Mbps on the download end if I could have it on the upload side. I use a Slingbox to watch the occasional Red Sox game and Formula One at work. The image is fair now that we have 512k upload, but it would be much better at 1Mbps or better.

Brad
07-01-2007, 01:59 PM
Sunrise this morning was interesting as the color almost rally came out - but not quite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cja-k8qauR4

Patrad Fischroy
07-02-2007, 09:10 AM
Hey Brad, when putting in the new cable to the cabin I hope that you put the new cable in a duct system to facilitate future upgrades. One never knows when a fiber line may cross your path, and it is so much easier to pull a new line than redig a trench

Brad
07-02-2007, 09:43 AM
Hey Brad, when putting in the new cable to the cabin I hope that you put the new cable in a duct system to facilitate future upgrades. One never knows when a fiber line may cross your path, and it is so much easier to pull a new line than redig a trench
Yes, it is in a dedicated conduit.

6288
07-03-2007, 07:56 AM
Here is a shot this morning from the solar powered "marsh cam" (for lack of a better name). Unfortunately my battery test this weekend did not show very good results. The camera is just drawing too much power for the panel to keep up. I manually charged the battery, but now I have to find a photocell switch to turn things off at night to save power.

http://home.comcast.net/~smdamelio/marsh.jpg

Brad
07-03-2007, 08:42 AM
Here is a shot this morning from the solar powered "marsh cam" (for lack of a better name). Unfortunately my battery test this weekend did not show very good results. The camera is just drawing too much power for the panel to keep up. I manually charged the battery, but now I have to find a photocell switch to turn things off at night to save power.
The MarshCam looks great!!!!

Brad
07-03-2007, 09:13 AM
NEWS FLASH FOR A DAY

While I am working today in my "office" I have another web camera set up looking at the lake. I will shut it down when I go out for lunch to get a couple of parts that I need to mount it for real. Then I will bring it back online for the afternoon again. After work I am hoping to mount it at the house.

For today check it out at http://octagon.homeip.net:8005

hobbes
07-03-2007, 10:31 AM
but now I have to find a photocell switch to turn things off at night to save power.
I've seen the Intematic ones used for the Ravines Cam at Home Depot in the past.

Brad
07-03-2007, 08:23 PM
Happy Holidays - and here is a new web camera to play with. It is mounted on the side of the deck flooring looking out to the lake.

http://longlake.homeip.net:8005

Steve M
07-03-2007, 09:07 PM
I'm so proud, your camera works on firefox. Nice view of the dock and boat. Not to mention the flower bed.

Brad
07-03-2007, 09:25 PM
I'm so proud, your camera works on firefox. Nice view of the dock and boat. Not to mention the flower bed.
Yes, the older Toshiba are Java based and work on Firefox. The newer models are ActiveX based.

It is totally dark out and with the new pathway and garden lights it looks like daylight. Really is working well.

M_Six
07-03-2007, 10:43 PM
Nice sharp image, even at night. And I like how it blows up if you expand the window. I had some trouble getting it to pan, though. It was really slow to react. Is it wireless?

Brad
07-04-2007, 06:07 AM
Nice sharp image, even at night. And I like how it blows up if you expand the window. I had some trouble getting it to pan, though. It was really slow to react. Is it wireless?
It was dark out when you were trying to pan the image. So, the camera changed its shutter speed to capture a lot of light. That means the pan slows down also. In fact the pan went fast, but you do not see the image till the shutter has sent you at least 2 images. try it again in the daytime.

Steve M
07-04-2007, 09:29 AM
Brad, what is the resolution set at? It seems to be a very large image. Also when I zoom in on the boat and dock it gets blurry. The trees on the side must be what it is focusing on?

Brad
07-04-2007, 09:40 AM
Brad, what is the resolution set at? It seems to be a very large image. Also when I zoom in on the boat and dock it gets blurry. The trees on the side must be what it is focusing on?
The resolution was set at 640x480 - I just changed it to 800x600 - it can go to 1280x960. It will focus on the leaves up close. With this old model the camera does not zoom - the image you see is made larger.

Steve M
07-04-2007, 09:47 AM
Looks like the family is enjoying the dock this morning.

Charlie
07-04-2007, 09:50 AM
nice cam brad ,i see the dogs love the water to .
this is some thing i just got about dogs and it may not apply up there but just in case.

This was sent to me by someone on one of my Yorkie chat groups. Although my little ones are not swimmers, I know some of you have dogs that like to swim. I know it's not dog park related but it's informative and I thought it was worth spreading the news since it is dog related.

Steph



On Monday, June 25, 2007 I took my healthy 9 month old Border Collie Vita swimming at approximately 6:30 p.m. Vita and two other BC's spent about an
hour and a half diving off the dock, chasing the Water Kong, and running around.

The temperature that day was just over 90 degrees, but none of the dogs looked particularly winded or hot.

Vita emerged from the water and looked as if she was going to vomit. She threw up lake water three times. I wasn't particularly concerned as she took in
a lot of water from retrieving and swimming so much and had seen other dogs do that in the past without complications.

After the third time throwing up, she lay down and closed her eyes. Her tongue was hanging out of her mouth and I began to suspect she may have heat stroke. I immediately placed ice on her stomach and checked her gums. They were pink. I took her temperature which was 101.9, still normal. I then called my Vet who said these conditions did not indicate heat stroke and said I needed to get emergency medical attention right away.

Vita was not responsive and when I picked her up to put her in the car she was limp and her eyes were still closed. Her breathing was slow and her heart was racing. I arrived at the emergency clinic only a half hour from the
time she showed signs of distress. The ER Vet asked me what sorts of things Vita had been doing all day. I explained that she was crated as I was gone for
the latter part of the afternoon and that upon coming home, the only other place she went was to the lake.

Vita's eyes were fixed and dilated and the Vet suggested there was already brain damage. After administering an IV and oxygen, the Vet called me in and
said Vita was not responding and that it appeared that she was suffering from some kind of toxic poisoning. Her heart rate was 200. He mentioned that he had
recently seen a couple of dogs who died from Blue Green Algae Toxicity. I told him that the lake had what appeared to be algae blooms on the surface
of the water. Neither of the other two dogs showed any of the signs that Vita had and that neither dog took in as much water as Vita apparently did. We decided
to put her on a ventilator overnight and give her a "chance" to pull through.

When I got home I did a Dogpile.com search of "Blue Green Algae Toxicity in Dogs" and found some very disturbing information.
Blooms can occur at any time, but most often occur in late summer or early fall. They can occur in marine, estuarine, and fresh waters, but the blooms of
greatest concern are the ones that occur in fresh water, such as drinking water reservoirs or recreational waters.
Some cyanobacterial blooms can look like foam, scum, or mats on the surface of fresh water lakes and ponds. The blooms can be blue, bright green, brown, or red and may look like paint floating on the water. Some blooms may not affect the appearance of the water. As algae in a cyanobacterial bloom die, the water may smell bad.

Some cyanobacteria that can form CyanoHABs (Harmful Algal Blooms) produce toxins that are among the most powerful natural poisons known. These toxins have
no known antidotes.

Swallowing water that has cyanobacterial toxins in it can cause acute, severe gastroenteritis (including diarrhea and vomiting). Liver toxicity (i.e., increased serum levels of liver enzymes). Symptoms of liver poisoning may takes hours or days to show up in people or animals. Symptoms include abdominal pain, diarrhea, and vomiting. Kidney toxicity.
Neurotoxicity. These symptoms can appear within 15 to 20 minutes after exposure. In dogs, the neurotoxins can cause salivation and other neurologic symptoms, including weakness, staggering, difficulty breathing, convulsions, and death. People may have numb lips, tingling fingers and toes, or they may feel dizzy.

Vita had indeed exhibited salivation and signs of weakness, staggering, difficulty breathing and vomiting.

At 7:00 a.m. on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 I called the Vet and was told that they took Vita off the ventilator a couple of times during the night and that she was not breathing on her own. I told him to discontinue the procedure and to let her go.

I called the DNR here in Michigan and was told that Blue Green Algae didn't usually appear this time of year and I told the agent that the conditions were
that of late summer in Michigan , very hot for the last two days and reminded him that Blue Green Algae can appear at any time. He told me not to panic or
to alarm other people. I told him that had someone else panicked, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

Later that morning I found out from a neighbor that her two young boys had vomiting, diarrhea and stomach cramps last week and her Doctor suggested she bring in a water sample. I do not know if she did or not.
I also talked to a woman from a neighboring county whose neighbor's dog ingested a lot of water from a pond and died suddenly a couple weeks ago.

As of this writing, Wednesday, June 27th, I have not heard anything from Michigan State where I took Vita for a necropsy and toxoligical panel.

For the time being, I would strongly suggest you watch your dogs when swimming in small lakes and ponds as the potential threat of toxic poisoning from
Blue Green Algae is prevalent. Had I known that algae of any kind was toxic, you can be sure my dogs wouldn't be swimming anywhere and that Vita, whose name
quite ironically meant "life" in Latin, would be alive today.

Missing you more than you can imagine.
May you rest in peace, Red Top Vita
09/05/06 - 06/26/07

Charlie
07-04-2007, 09:56 AM
looks like 5 dogs out there to day
and the dock is full of people to ,looks like a nice day

looks like you need to make a wider deck out there ,I'll volunteer to help :D :D

Brad
07-04-2007, 04:36 PM
looks like 5 dogs out there to day
and the dock is full of people to ,looks like a nice day

looks like you need to make a wider deck out there ,I'll volunteer to help :D :D
Yes, we had lots of people today. We had 7 people and 7 dogs before the 2 cars arrived late last night adding 6 more people. It all started today with some folks waterskiing early this morning. Then 2 cars of people headed off to the 4 mile road race in town. Then back to the cabin and others showed up for lunch getting the people count to 25 (I think). Dogs, people, kids (they are people) all over the place. A great time.

On another note the lake water is tested each year by a local environmental group which studies lake water quality issues. We have one of the cleanest lakes around - the loons are coming back strong and we normally see 3 heron flying every morning when we ski. A lot of the water quality issues we used to have 10 years ago are not there now.

Charlie
07-04-2007, 07:40 PM
wow that is a lot of people there and that is good to have a lot of friends and family around and to have mans best friend there to .

and that is good about the lake , it makes it nice to play in .

Brad
07-04-2007, 08:41 PM
wow that is a lot of people there and that is good to have a lot of friends and family around and to have mans best friend there to .

and that is good about the lake , it makes it nice to play in .
The lake water is extremely clear. It is easy to see the bottom quite a ways out.

Steve M
07-04-2007, 10:51 PM
The lake water is extremely clear. It is easy to see the bottom quite a ways out.
Is the lake a deep or shallow lake?

6288
07-05-2007, 08:34 AM
Brad, Are you familiar with this (http://www.mainelakes.org/your_lake.htm) organization?

Looks like we got an "A"

Brad
07-05-2007, 12:06 PM
Lakes Environmental Association (LEA) is a great organization focused on water quality. We have been members for years and our road association even has in our bylaws that the association has to be a supporting member. We have used LEA for drainage and erosion prevention things.

They are listing our lake as a "B-" due to oxygen levels in the deeper spots. They list the deepest spot as 59 feet though we have seen 64 feet in a couple of holes. The shoreline is mostly rocks with the depth dropping off quite fast. Our property has a shallow sandbar which is why our dock has to go out 100 feet to have 3 feet of water for the boat.

hobbes
07-05-2007, 04:06 PM
Brad - which lake are you on?

Steve M
07-05-2007, 06:11 PM
Lakes Environmental Association (LEA) is a great organization focused on water quality. We have been members for years and our road association even has in our bylaws that the association has to be a supporting member. We have used LEA for drainage and erosion prevention things.

They are listing our lake as a "B-" due to oxygen levels in the deeper spots. They list the deepest spot as 59 feet though we have seen 64 feet in a couple of holes. The shoreline is mostly rocks with the depth dropping off quite fast. Our property has a shallow sandbar which is why our dock has to go out 100 feet to have 3 feet of water for the boat.
I thought something was up because I noticed how you had a long dock and the slide platform was so far out. That is common down here. Most lakes are fairly shallow but I would expect deeper lakes up there.

Brad
07-05-2007, 06:18 PM
I thought something was up because I noticed how you had a long dock and the slide platform was so far out. That is common down here. Most lakes are fairly shallow but I would expect deeper lakes up there.
If you look at our cabin with Google Earth you can see the sand bar going out to the state buoy marker about 200 feet off our shore then the sandbar comes back in 2 lots north of us. There is quite a drop off - which is nice for us as we have a sandy bottom. Where our boat mooring is the water is about 8-10 feet deep. At the end of our dock it is 3 feet deep.


Brad - which lake are you on?
We are on Long Lake. Harrison is at the northern end. Bridgton is on the northwest and Naples is to the south. The lake is about 1/2 to 3/4 mile wide and 11 miles long - running north and south. This means that early morning waterskiing is done without the sun in your eyes.

Sweden is to our northwest. Norway to the east. Paris is on the other side of Norway. China is up the road by Mexico. Interesting town names.

beauty123
07-05-2007, 08:20 PM
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Steve M
07-05-2007, 10:22 PM
If you look at our cabin with Google Earth you can see the sand bar going out to the state buoy marker about 200 feet off our shore then the sandbar comes back in 2 lots north of us. There is quite a drop off - which is nice for us as we have a sandy bottom. Where our boat mooring is the water is about 8-10 feet deep. At the end of our dock it is 3 feet deep.


We are on Long Lake. Harrison is at the northern end. Bridgton is on the northwest and Naples is to the south. The lake is about 1/2 to 3/4 mile wide and 11 miles long - running north and south. This means that early morning waterskiing is done without the sun in your eyes.

Sweden is to our northwest. Norway to the east. Paris is on the other side of Norway. China is up the road by Mexico. Interesting town names.
I google earthed your lake and wanted to ask you if the sand bar was the right one but I don't know how to post the map.

Charlie
07-05-2007, 10:46 PM
check your PM

Brad
07-06-2007, 02:16 PM
Time Warner swapped the cable out today and hooked up the new one. We will see how this works over time. Right now we are getting 2.18 Mbps download AND upload using the Vonage Help speed test link. Not bad for off in the sticks of Maine. (and who knows how many people are viewing web cameras when I did the test too.)

Charlie
07-06-2007, 07:40 PM
I'm getting 54.0 mbps
is that good if the # is higher or lower [ I'm not up on all this stuff ]:rolleyes:

hobbes
07-06-2007, 07:55 PM
We are on Long Lake.
Ah yes, lovely spot. Similarly named, but further south is Long Pond (in East Parsonsfield) where I was a camp counselor many moons ago (and also on Panther Pond in Raymond).

Brad
07-06-2007, 09:20 PM
I'm getting 54.0 mbps
is that good if the # is higher or lower [ I'm not up on all this stuff ]:rolleyes:
That 54Mbps is between your computer and the wireless access point in your house. Once it hits there it connects to the Internet through an Internet Service Provider and they determine what speed you really get. Go to https://www.vonage.com/help.php?article=497&category=73&nav=6 and see what this speed test gives you. Give us the download, the upload and the Quality of Service percentage on the left side of the finished graph.

Charlie
07-06-2007, 09:41 PM
2.27 up load
5.61 down load

M_Six
07-06-2007, 11:17 PM
Cool site, Brad. Thanks. :cool:

Brad
07-07-2007, 05:10 AM
Cool site, Brad. Thanks. :cool:
There are lots of speed test sites around. This one shows a lot of information in a creative way and seems to give dependable results.


2.27 up load
5.61 down load
Hawk,

You have excellent speeds especially for the upload direction. Photographers who want to post a lot of pictures to a web site like fast uploads. Plus, for web cameras upload speed is key.

M_Six
07-07-2007, 11:27 AM
Yeah, I'm envious of you folks with killer upload speed. I'm stuck around 460k. :(

Brad
07-07-2007, 03:21 PM
Yeah, I'm envious of you folks with killer upload speed. I'm stuck around 460k. :(
Many people have 300Kbps upload speed or less. For most folks that is not a problem. Try to upload lots of picture files or run a web camera or two and speed becomes important.

M_Six
07-07-2007, 10:09 PM
Many people have 300Kbps upload speed or less. For most folks that is not a problem. Try to upload lots of picture files or run a web camera or two and speed becomes important.
Or run a Slingbox. :cool:

Brad
07-08-2007, 05:44 AM
Or run a Slingbox. :cool:
When you did the Vonage speed test, what was the Quality of Service?

One other thing to try is to use PingPlotter (www.pingplotter.com) to run a trace. I am on Time warner's Road Runner service. So, I point to help.rr.com which then stays inside their network and they can not say "it is the Internet". I set PingPlotter to trace every 2.5 seconds - and set the Packet Loss graph to be at 100%.

Then let it run for a bit. When our up load speeds were bad the packet loss red bars were all over the place.

Sample of a bad one.
http://images116.fotki.com/v695/photos/8/8235/4802372/help_rr20070430-vi.png

Here is a smaple of a better one.
http://images23.fotki.com/v860/photos/8/8235/4802372/help_rr_com20070601-vi.png

I had to use these graphs to get to the local technical support folks. Once they saw the packet loss they started working on it for real.

hobbes
07-09-2007, 06:11 PM
I'm also on RoadRunner of Maine (but in NH). According to Vonage, the download speed is 4Mbps, and upload is 420kbps, with QoS 77% and RTT 54ms. PingPlotter does leave a bit to be desired:

http://www.zakon.org/chocorua/rr.gif

Brad
07-09-2007, 07:59 PM
I am sorry to tell you but during those solid red bars you probably have no connection to the Internet. Run the PingPlotter several times and see if you get the same results on a regular basis. If you do, you should call in for service.

That is where the fun begins - is the problem in the house - or out on the Road Runner network.

hobbes
07-09-2007, 08:15 PM
No need to be sorry:) The cable modem is on the first drop coming into the house, so it's within their "infrastructure" -- whether between the house and the pole or beyond is the unknown. Surprisingly, the connectivity is mostly functional. Every 1-2 weeks connectivity does drop for 15-30 minutes (or works intermittently for a couple of hours), but in almost every instance it comes back up w/o any intervention. I also have it set up so that if the cable modem is down for two consecutive minutes, the modem is automatically turned off for a minute then back on. This has been par for the course, errr connection, since Adelphia days.

Brad
07-09-2007, 08:23 PM
No need to be sorry:) The cable modem is on the first drop coming into the house, so it's within their "infrastructure" -- whether between the house and the pole or beyond is the unknown. Surprisingly, the connectivity is mostly functional. Every 1-2 weeks connectivity does drop for 15-30 minutes (or works intermittently for a couple of hours), but in almost every instance it comes back up w/o any intervention. I also have it set up so that if the cable modem is down for two consecutive minutes, the modem is automatically turned off for a minute then back on. This has been par for the course, errr connection, since Adelphia days.
I would call this unacceptable. From what I have heard Road Runner is upgrading all the old Adelphia cables out in their network. This should help us all.

M_Six
07-10-2007, 10:32 PM
No need to be sorry:) The cable modem is on the first drop coming into the house, so it's within their "infrastructure" -- whether between the house and the pole or beyond is the unknown. Surprisingly, the connectivity is mostly functional. Every 1-2 weeks connectivity does drop for 15-30 minutes (or works intermittently for a couple of hours), but in almost every instance it comes back up w/o any intervention. I also have it set up so that if the cable modem is down for two consecutive minutes, the modem is automatically turned off for a minute then back on. This has been par for the course, errr connection, since Adelphia days.

We had similar issues with ours, only it got worse and worse. The cable company finally came out and replaced the cable to the house and the problem was solved.

Brad
07-13-2007, 05:47 PM
I just moved an old (as in very old) web camera I had inside our cabin over to the office building I use when I work in Maine. It is inside the office looking out the window - at the lake. I am sure on sunny days the image will be overpowered as it can not adjust that well for outside light variations.

It will be interesting to see how this works. It is at http://octagon.homeip.net:8002 - you have to use Internet Explorer to view the images.

M_Six
07-13-2007, 07:12 PM
At 19:09 I'm getting a really nice image of the lake. It even has fairly decent motion. Man, I'm so envious of your bandwidth. :cool:

Brad
07-13-2007, 07:19 PM
At 19:09 I'm getting a really nice image of the lake. It even has fairly decent motion. Man, I'm so envious of your bandwidth. :cool:
Actually this camera is at a friend's house down the road. The name of our cabin is longlake.homeip.net and her house is octagon.homeip.net.

Between her house and the lake is a small cabin which was refinished as an office (very cool inside). The camera is on her network wireless from the office back to the house. Her bandwidth is not as good as ours but okay.

Steve M
07-14-2007, 08:59 PM
All I see is darkness with some reflected light off the lake and what looks like stars:D

Brad
07-14-2007, 09:15 PM
All I see is darkness with some reflected light off the lake and what looks like stars:D
The flashing lights at the lower left are the LAN and wireless lights on the camera unit reflecting in the glass of the window.

Steve M
07-14-2007, 10:08 PM
That's very funny. Kind of a warm cyber glow in the darkness!

Brad
07-15-2007, 04:52 AM
That's very funny. Kind of a warm cyber glow in the darkness!
4:50AM and you can clearly see across the lake to the hills to the NE. It is amazing to watch it go from dark to being able to see or the reverse at the end of the day.

Steve M
07-15-2007, 07:01 AM
4:50AM and you can clearly see across the lake to the hills to the NE. It is amazing to watch it go from dark to being able to see or the reverse at the end of the day.
That's a really nice view. Lots of contrast between the trees in the foreground and then the lake and the hills in the distance.

Brad
07-17-2007, 05:36 AM
Sunrise this morning was very nice.

http://images26.fotki.com/v941/photos/8/8235/4962265/LV0320070717051217000N-vi.jpg

Charlie
07-17-2007, 12:50 PM
why yes it was :o

Steve M
07-17-2007, 05:53 PM
Beeauutifulll!:D

Brad
07-17-2007, 07:34 PM
Beeauutifulll!:D
I am still amazed at how well images come out - from a web camera. I entered one image in a photo contest the other day and it came in 25th out of 219 entries!

http://contests.fotki.com/contests/weekly_june25_july1/203122168.html

Brad
07-17-2007, 07:46 PM
I am back in NC and the Internet connection was terrible. Road Runner support fellow came today and confirmed the cable modem was "bad" and replaced it. Now I am running well. Here is the graph from the Vonage speed test site.

http://images25.fotki.com/v950/photos/8/8235/242566/20070717Barwindsspeed-vi.jpg

Charlie
07-17-2007, 09:51 PM
I am still amazed at how well images come out - from a web camera. I entered one image in a photo contest the other day and it came in 25th out of 219 entries!

http://contests.fotki.com/contests/weekly_june25_july1/203122168.html


well it looks #1 to me

M_Six
07-17-2007, 10:40 PM
I am back in NC and the Internet connection was terrible. Road Runner support fellow came today and confirmed the cable modem was "bad" and replaced it. Now I am running well. Here is the graph from the Vonage speed test site.

http://images25.fotki.com/v950/photos/8/8235/242566/20070717Barwindsspeed-vi.jpg
So no fat upload pipe in NC, eh?

Gorgeous sunrise pics. :cool:

Brad
07-18-2007, 05:21 AM
So no fat upload pipe in NC, eh?

Gorgeous sunrise pics. :cool:
Nope. Upload speed in NC is not great. Now that I have gone back to NC the Maine Quality of Service number is down to 52%. The connectivity issues seem to be a moving target and one needs to continue to check them.

Steve M
07-18-2007, 07:05 AM
Nope. Upload speed in NC is not great. Now that I have gone back to NC the Maine Quality of Service number is down to 52%. The connectivity issues seem to be a moving target and one needs to continue to check them.
This is a little off topic but I wanted to share that the problem I was having getting to see the rainbow pics and other images has cleared up. It seems that it must have been a network issue. We lost power due to a thunder storm yesterday for about an hour and when everything booted back up all the issues were gone.

Nice pictures of the rainbow!

Brad
07-18-2007, 08:23 AM
Nice pictures of the rainbow!
Good to hear you have access to the pictures now. Once I get my laptop back from service I will look at the image files and see if they can be cleaned up a bit.

Brad
07-19-2007, 09:04 PM
I am in NC now and checki out things in Maine on the web cameras. It looks like my wife has turned on the garden lights and the flowers are doing well.

http://images25.fotki.com/v945/photos/8/8235/242566/Woodrising520070719-vi.jpg

M_Six
07-21-2007, 12:03 AM
I can't believe how nice the pics are from that cam. The lights really look great, too. :cool:

Steve M
07-21-2007, 07:20 AM
Nice image Brad...TWO more days and I'm on my way!!!

Brad
07-21-2007, 08:36 AM
Nice image Brad...TWO more days and I'm on my way!!!
I just finished setting my work schedule to head north after work on Thursday! I just let my wife know i am coming home for the weekend to see her (and do Seek the Peak).

I am watching 4 web cameras right now - 2 being down at the lake in Maine and it is windy up north! White caps on the lake. The wind on the summit is listed right now as 42 with a last 15 minute gust of 62 mph.

Steve M
07-21-2007, 01:49 PM
I just finished setting my work schedule to head north after work on Thursday! I just let my wife know i am coming home for the weekend to see her (and do Seek the Peak).

I am watching 4 web cameras right now - 2 being down at the lake in Maine and it is windy up north! White caps on the lake. The wind on the summit is listed right now as 42 with a last 15 minute gust of 62 mph.
I like how you have your priorities straight...Wife first, then Seek the Peak!:D

Steve M
07-26-2007, 07:37 AM
Ahhh, It's great to be back in the Whites!!!!

http://images114.fotki.com/v962/photos/1/1138397/5207719/Picture006-vi.jpg

Brad
07-26-2007, 07:50 AM
Ahhh, It's great to be back in the Whites!!!!

Steve, you are north already? No fair. I left the house in NC at 1:30 AM this morning and am now at a dealer in northern VA waiting for a new alternator (I think that is what the car needs). Then I will be on my way again.

See you all on the trail Saturday.

Charlie
07-26-2007, 05:57 PM
Steve, you are north already? No fair. I left the house in NC at 1:30 AM this morning and am now at a dealer in northern VA waiting for a new alternator (I think that is what the car needs). Then I will be on my way again.

See you all on the trail Saturday.


Steve it is a little different then being down south :eek: and a little cooler :D
have fun and soak it up it might be a long time until you get back :mad:
have fun and be safe on the trail .


Brad i hope you get back on the road soon ,i would not want to be sitting in a auto shop when i could be sitting on a lake looking out at the mountains.
have a fun and safe day on sat .

Brad
07-26-2007, 06:57 PM
Brad i hope you get back on the road soon ,i would not want to be sitting in a auto shop when i could be sitting on a lake looking out at the mountains.
have a fun and safe day on sat .
Charlie,

6:51 PM and I am in a rest area on the Mass Pike :o So, I am gettig close. My plan for being home for dinner is now - get there before 11 PM. The weather has not been too bad. Traffic in CT was terrible.

Bill O
07-26-2007, 07:06 PM
Traffic in CT was terrible.

Duh!

Don't tell me you came up I-95? There's traffic through Fairfield County going northbound from 1pm until 9pm.

I highly recommend diverting around the area via I-684 and I-84. Pretty much the same distance and you avoid Fairfield County traffic.

Brad
07-26-2007, 07:16 PM
I-95 in CT? Not a chance. I did the Parkway but as I approached Hartford from the south it got heavy traffic. I-91 was not bad till the split off for I-84 at Hartford - so I went to Springfield and got on the Mass Pike there. No traffic at all this way.

The rest area on the Mass Pike east of Springfield is always empty - which can not be said for the ones east of where I-84 joins the Pike.

beauty123
07-26-2007, 09:41 PM
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Steve M
07-27-2007, 07:14 AM
Steve, you are north already? No fair. I left the house in NC at 1:30 AM this morning and am now at a dealer in northern VA waiting for a new alternator (I think that is what the car needs). Then I will be on my way again.

See you all on the trail Saturday.
Our trip was wrought with trouble. The morning we left we had a camper tire go flat, then got stuck in Charlotte for 2 hours behind an accident. Finally made it up here at 12:30 pm on Tuesday and grabbed a room. Next morning we drove to our campsite in Glen, tried to open our pop-up and the cables had come lose so it wouldn't open. Had to go to home depot to get 2x4's and duck tape to prop it up. Had a great day yesterday though. We drove up to the summit and took a quick hike to Lakes and back. Lots of fun! Hope the rest of your trip went well!

Steve M
07-27-2007, 07:18 AM
I-95 in CT? Not a chance. I did the Parkway but as I approached Hartford from the south it got heavy traffic. I-91 was not bad till the split off for I-84 at Hartford - so I went to Springfield and got on the Mass Pike there. No traffic at all this way.

The rest area on the Mass Pike east of Springfield is always empty - which can not be said for the ones east of where I-84 joins the Pike.
We hit traffic about as good as you can coming through CT. I-84...Some slowdowns in Danbury...Smooth sailing through Hartford and the same around Boston.

Brad
07-27-2007, 07:33 AM
At the very end of the I-495 around Boston route there was construction last night. It was right by the last small parking area. I should have gotten off at the exit before the backup but was in the left lane and could not pull it off without getting the world mad at me.

There seemed to be a lot of night construction going on. To get to N Conway it would have been easier last night to go up I-93 and cut over. traffic going to Maine was bad.

Steve M
07-27-2007, 07:54 AM
Well, the fam and I managed to get our picture taken on the deck yesterday. We are the small group of four, my wife and two kids and me waving.

http://images27.fotki.com/v967/photos/1/1002902/4159843/20070726_122226_deck-vi.jpg

Brad
07-27-2007, 01:12 PM
Great to see you - and family.

Steve M
08-05-2007, 10:37 PM
Just a little note to say we are on our way back to Florida. We are staying the night outside Harrisonburg, VA in a Super 8 motel with a very poor wireless service. We should get in around 8 PM tomorrow. Pics will be posted as well as a trip report!

Steve M
08-05-2007, 10:41 PM
Just a little note to say we are on our way back to Florida. We are staying the night outside Harrisonburg, VA in a Super 8 motel with a very poor wireless service. We should get in around 8 PM tomorrow. Pics will be posted as well as a trip report!
Looks like I've got some catching up to do!:)

Brad
08-06-2007, 05:49 AM
The Ravines camera is "stuck" looking at 8:00 PM last night. the others are updating fine.