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Andrew
04-19-2007, 07:01 PM
What would you all recommend about taking a dog up to the top of Mt Washington? I've seen many dogs hiking with their owners but I'm not sure if my dog would make it. He's in good shape and is outside for exercise. The only concern I have is that he is going to be nine years old this October. He shows very little signs of aging and is extremely healthy. Also. What's the rule about dogs and the summit? Are they allowed in the building or only outside?

Here's a couple recent pictures of Charlie if it helps.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/andrew1214/Charlie002.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/andrew1214/Charlie001.jpg

Charlie
04-19-2007, 07:16 PM
if the dog can last for a long walk at a fast pace then it might be OK but you know your dog . now the dog that was with the people on MT HOOD was use to the cold and snow ,so if your dog is a house dog and is not out in the cold or the summer heat then they will have a hard time

Andrew
04-19-2007, 07:32 PM
if the dog can last for a long walk at a fast pace then it might be OK but you know your dog . now the dog that was with the people on MT HOOD was use to the cold and snow ,so if your dog is a house dog and is not out in the cold or the summer heat then they will have a hard time

Well he sure can run for long distances a heck of alot faster than me lol. As for standing the elements, he's outside all the time in all seasons and loves the snow and also has no problems with the heat.

Bill O
04-19-2007, 07:52 PM
Officially, dogs are not allowed inside the Sherman Adams Building. So I would count on not being able to bring him inside.

Make sure to bring a leash in case other dogs start causing trouble. Above treeline the dog will most likely stay on trail, but if he doesn't, you need to keep him on trail. The dog can do just as much damage to the tundra that a person can.

I'd bring some extra food or snacks for the dog because they are going to burn a lot more calories than a normal day.

If your dog is active then he should be fine, but dogs can be out of shape. The risk is that he gets tired and refuses to move or he cuts his pads because they aren't used to walking that much.

As long as you pick up his #2 and he isn't harassing the wildlife nobody should care about the dog on the trail.

Andrew
04-19-2007, 09:33 PM
Thanks for the quick responses :) My dog is well trained but good idea about the leash to keep him out of trouble with other dogs.

Brad
04-20-2007, 04:47 AM
We have seen people hiking on Mt Washington with a very young dog. Later in the day they were going around calling for a dog that barely knew its name. I have no idea if they ever found those dogs.

I feel sorry for any dog that the owner would put them in this type of situation. On the other hand, I see well trained dogs out there all the time and it is a great thing for them too.

Emma, we need comments here from you.

ship of fools
04-20-2007, 06:34 AM
My beagle went to the summit twice and had no troubles at all. The first day he would run way ahead of us and then back to us and then way ahead again etc. The second day he didn't take an extra step...just tagged along with us the whole day. Only trouble he had was on a steep pitch on Hillman's the first day when he wouldn't come down for a while. Even kept him overnight in a lean to one time - he was so tired he crawled into the bottom of my sleeping bag and didn't even stir until morning!! The only real issue i ran into was his paws getting cold / frozen.

KD Talbot
04-20-2007, 01:33 PM
All the above advice is excellent. My concerns would be, does your dog stay with you on the trail? or bolt all over once it gets outside? I used to do this, but I've learned to conserve my energy and stay with Kevin.I've heard there have been many rescues and some tragic endings. If your dog is used to taking long walks by your side, or at least near you, things should be fine. Does he respond to voice command? If neither of these are true, then I would keep him on a leash, I hate leashes, but sometimes they are a necessary evil. Along with lots of snacks be sure to bring lots of water, as there may not always be a convenient brook available. Many wilderness hikers hate it when I go in a brook muddying the water, as they are going to take water from there to filter for drinking. Are you going while there is snow on the ground? How are your dogs feet in the snow? I have clumping issues and stop frequently to chew ice off my paws when the snow is wet. Going into a brook exacerbates the problem. If you're waiting for warm weather and the snow to disappear, then above treeline has different issues. The mica-schist make-up of of Mount Washington is jagged and sharp, not smooth like granite. This can tear my pads to shreds. If he's a tender foot who doesn't get out on pavement or rocks too much, this could be a major problem. Some peoples dogs will wear the little padded slippers they sell for dogs, I won't. Judy helps me by using Musher's Secret. She puts this on my feet and it keeps the snow from sticking, and if there's no snow, it helps on the sharp rocks. Lastly, it can be real hot with the sun beating down above treeline, if I get too tired or won't move, Kevin turns around and gets me down out of the sun. One time in the pouring rain Judy couldn't stand it anymore and talked the engineer into taking us down on the Cog, but they were not happy about it and said I should never have gone up there with them. I wish I could have told them it wasn't me that was the problem, it was Judy!
Emma

Brad
04-20-2007, 03:30 PM
Emma,

Thanks for the comments. It always seems you like the hiking (from what I can see in the pictures). There are things which can be rubbed on a dog's paws to keep them moist and protect them from the cold. Do you use this stuff - or just go Oh Natural?

kaseri
04-20-2007, 03:40 PM
I know there are products available that will protect your dog's feet/pads. They are like little "boots" for your dog.

Andrew
04-20-2007, 06:17 PM
To answer some questions. My dog responds very well to voice command and won't wander far away from us, I don't even think he'd go off the trail, in fact, he will even stop chasing animals when told not too (deer, etc.). His pads are not rugged but not soft, so since I do not plan on taking him until the summer, I will take him for long walks on roads and in my woods where there is alot of rocks. It should toughen his pads and I think he'll enjoy the extra attention haha.

Charlie
04-20-2007, 09:29 PM
well then you have a fun time out there with one of your best friends .

i would love to do that hike with my bloodhound some day .

KD Talbot
04-22-2007, 08:30 PM
Not to promote a specific product, but as I said in my previous post, I use Musher's Secret on my paws, it keeps the snow from sticking, and helps with nicks and cuts on the sharp Mount Washington rocks in the summer. A baby aspirin for tired bones helps, too.
Emma

Brad
04-22-2007, 10:23 PM
Not to promote a specific product, but as I said in my previous post, I use Musher's Secret on my paws, it keeps the snow from sticking, and helps with nicks and cuts on the sharp Mount Washington rocks in the summer. A baby aspirin for tired bones helps, too.
Emma
I did not know this was a secret. We use this ("Mushers Secret Wax") on our dog's paws in the winter.

Andrew
04-23-2007, 01:04 PM
How much do those "shoes" cost?

Brad
04-23-2007, 02:16 PM
How much do those "shoes" cost?
We tried the "shoes" and our dog said, "No Way".

Patrad Fischroy
04-23-2007, 02:34 PM
Not endorsing any product or retailer, but I came across this source a while ago.
http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=22065897&memberId=12500226

Of course as Brad said, the mutt might have other ideas.

KD Talbot
04-23-2007, 06:00 PM
You can get Musher's Secret here:

http://www.petnetdirect.com/page/1/PROD/MUS-5226W?gclid=CIyz57Ls2YsCFQKfYgodVXNBbA

Emma

Andrew
04-24-2007, 05:49 PM
ahh I think I'll get some of that to bring just in case. I took him in the woods for a long walk and he was walking over some jagged rocks for quite some time. He had no problem climbing and he didn't get tired. After we got home i took a look at his pads and they showed no wear. When we bring him up the rockpile I'll check his pads periodically and if there's any wear I'll put some of that stuff on.

Thanks for the responses.


-Andrew-

KD Talbot
04-25-2007, 10:47 PM
My feelings are that you two will be fine. Here's to dogs on Mount Washington!
Emma

Brad
04-26-2007, 05:01 AM
Thanks Emma. I might just try to do more hiking this summer. I was only on a regular leash the first year that I joined this family (I was a stray for 6-8 months). After that I never have a leash on - just use the wireless leash.

http://images23.fotki.com/v822/photos/8/8235/2899925/IMG_2544a-vi.jpg

Sandy

tkahike
04-27-2007, 05:54 AM
My old Pyr I would take hiking all the time, she was a very good trail dog. My current two, one is a rescue and he is iffy, likes to run. And the other is just a pup, she needs some work.


Here is to Gabby, a great trail dog, I'll hike with you again some day.

http://www.tkahike.net/puppyville_files/image005.jpg

bruno
04-27-2007, 08:49 AM
not to step on anyone's paws here, but ol' bruno ain't good with dogs in the woods. it's not a huge deal, but i don't like 'em cuz they usually come sniffin' up on ol' bruno and lickin' and stuff. i don't like it.:eek: :rolleyes: :eek: :rolleyes:

but do whatever ya want. no biggy.:D :)

Brad
04-28-2007, 07:11 AM
When we are out for a walk and someone comes along the trail Sandy is supposed to come to my side and sit - till they go by. That way others know where he is and what he is supposed to do with them around. He does that beside the road also when a car goes by and he is not at a heel.

PatriciaS
04-28-2007, 08:43 AM
How were you able to train Sandy to sit next to you when you meet folks on a trail? My dog (Bear) loves hiking and will stay on a trail but he does like to investigate those we meet along the way. He is friendly, but at 90lbs most are unsure of him at first glance. He is very smart and does listen (most of the time). He just gets so excited to be "free" and on a trail hiking that sometimes his listening skills are not perfect while hiking. I would love to be able to train him to come to me and sit when we see people on a trail. What did you do that obviously worked?

Thanks,

PS

KD Talbot
04-28-2007, 09:04 AM
I like to investigate, too. I try to be good, but sometimes my nose just leads me where some people would prefer I didn't go. Lucky for me I am small and unintimidating. Mostly on summits I find people to be very protective of their snacks. I love snacks, so Kevin and Judy carry lots of snacks and water so that I am really not interested in other peoples. They also carry treats in their pockets, and when someone appears to think I am not the cutest dog ever, they call me over for a treat. Most things they want me to do involve treats, like when we go to agility training. If they want me to jump through hoops, then hey, I want a treat!
Emma

PS: I am the cutest dog ever, just ask the girl I met on the trail last week. Judy will confirm this.

Brad
04-28-2007, 09:33 PM
Emma,

I am sure you are the cutest dog out there. by far.

After we had Sandy for one year we trained him with a wireless leash. The collar part is just like an invisible fence. But, I carry a small thing the size of a cell phone. So, I control the buzz. We went through training and Sandy came along.

In the beginning we used a regular leash too - gave a command - used the leash to reinforce it - and gave a slight buzz on the collar. Within a week Sandy knew the commands (2 for that week) and that the buzz went with the commands. The next stage we gave the command and if he obeyed there was no buzz. If we had to repeat the command there would be a buzz each time we would repeat the command. Commands are soft, calm and just the word. By week 2 there was no regular leash any more.

Very quickly we added commands. I can do the 3 mile loop around the block here in NC with other dogs, joggers, cars, needing to heel when on the side of the road - and never do a single buzz. There is no need. Give the command and he does it right off.

The command list now is:
come
sit
stay
heel
with me - stay close by me but it does not have to be a "heel"
leave - this is to stop him from chasing a bird or squirrel
too far - he is too far ahead - he is to stop and wait for me to catch up
back - time to turn around
street - at the curb, sit and wait for the heel command
off you go - after a heel go run and do what you want - but not "too far"
car - to the side of the road and sit while the car goes by
place - point to a rug, sofa, bed, whatever and don't leave that place
(must be a defined area - like a dog bed)
off - don't jump up - don't confuse with "down"
quiet (still needs some work here)
down - lay down
get busy - this is always done "in the woods" not on the grass
in the woods

Then of course each toy has a name. When it is time to go to bed we will say a toy's name and he will go get that toy and bring it to bed.

Andrew
05-08-2007, 07:14 PM
well we brought our dog to the vet and this is his exact words "wow your dog is in EXCELLENT shape...whatever you're doing, keep doing it. Other than a bit of tarter on his teeth he's in perfect health, the healthiest 9 year old I've ever seen, go ahead and bring him to mt Washington, he'll run laps around you, just bring lots of water and treats"


guess he's good to go haha. This is coming from a person who's hiked mt Washington many times too.

Joey Keyz
05-09-2007, 03:44 PM
This is a bit off, but on topic.

I have nothing against dogs on trails, as long as they are disciplined enough to be on it. My wife and I had a very bad experience once with a dog on a trail. Actually. we were on the side of the trail (we were on the Pine Flats in Campton, NH) and we were at the edge of a very high cliff. We both held on to each other and a tree as we looked out and over the side. All of a sudden out of no where, this dog comes at us and jumps at us. Not to attack us, but to greet us. He knocked my wife over and me into the tree we were holding on to. We came very close to getting knocked off that edge because of this. Seriously, my wife almost went off that cliff! It's a good thing I had a tight grip on that tree and my wife. The dogs owner came running over to us and apologized. We weren't mad, but it ended our day very quickly.

So please, if you have a dog with you on a trail, make sure he/she is well behaved. A very excited and beautiful dog in this story almost cost my wife her life.

Joey Keyz
05-09-2007, 06:11 PM
Let me just add to my last post .......

I do not hate animals. Please don't think that about me or my wife.
We love ALL animals. I don't even hunt because I could never kill an animal.
We've owned many dogs and cats in the past. We just have a cat now, because
we live in a building complex and they only allow us to have one cat. (No dogs)

I just wanted to clear that up in case anyone thought different of us.
But it still doesn't change what I said in my last post. I love dogs and met many
on trails and played with them. Just please be aware of your dog on the trail.

Steve M
05-09-2007, 07:00 PM
Joey, that is a good point for all to consider. We love our dogs and love to have them with us on the trails but we must be considerate of others and responsible for our dogs behavior. If we can't control our dog off the trails then we certainly won't be able to control him on the trails.

Brad
05-09-2007, 07:34 PM
Very good point and post Joey.