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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew
    The area we set the actual tent on is only grass. trust me I made sure of that. The rest was thick moss, and alpine stuff. I do not have pics of where we were walking but there were alot of rocks we were sitting/walking on so we never damaged any alpine plants. We kind of HAD to set up camp there anyway as there was lightning/rain/thunder heading right at us and we needed cover. It's good to see the concern though In future hikes like this we plan to use the huts though. less damaging on the environment and a much lighter pack haha.

    Thanks for the reply Andrew, and as I have read your past posts I had a feeling you knew of good practices in the alpine zone and took the above mentioned considerations.

    For others, and always in the interest of stewardship, I wanted to make the point that you didn't just "find a nice grassy spot", as you never know who would read this, and would be inspired to find themselves a nice grassy spot, say on the alpine garden!!!

    Upon closer look, it does look like the trees were indeed and easily 8 feet...I'm just sensitive! And I'm glad that you clarified your other thoughts in your decision making process on picking the camp! I think BillO is most correct though in that it's tough to govern sustainable camping on the Presidential Range...

    Again, good hiking and great pics, thanks for sharing!
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    that hike looked like it was awesome. i didnt know you were aloud to camp up in the mountains? can you really?

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    i am a Summit Club member
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    I'm glad you guys discussed this. I noticed right away where the tent was pitched, and sometimes I can't express my feelings without sounding a little harsh.

    The link covers back country camping, but doesn't really cover camping in the Presidentials. Here is what the AMC Guide to the White Mountains says:

    CAMPING

    Presidential Range-Dry River Wilderness

    Wilderness regulations, intended to protect Wilderness resources and promote opportunities for challenge and solitude, prohibit use of motorized equipment or mechanical means of transportation of any sort. Camping and wood or charcoal fires are not allowed within 200 ft. of any trail except at designated campsites. Hiking and camping group size must be no larger than 10 people. Camping and fires are also prohibited above the treeline (where trees are less than 8 ft. tall), except in winter, when camping is permitted above the treeline in places where snow cover is at least 2 ft. deep, but not on any frozen body of water. Many shelters have been removed, and the remaining ones will be dismantled when major maintenance is required; one should not count on using any of these shelters.

    Forest Protection Areas

    The WMNF has established a number of Forest Protection Areas (FPAs)—
    formerly known as Restricted Use Areas—where camping and wood or charcoal fires are prohibited throughout the year. The specific areas are under continual review, and areas are added to or subtracted from the list in order to provide the greatest amount of protection to areas subject to damage by excessive camping, while imposing the lowest level of restrictions possible. A general list of FPAs in this section follows, but since there are often major changes from year to year, one should obtain current information on FPAs from the WMNF.

    (1) No camping is permitted above treeline (where trees are less than
    8 ft. tall), except in winter, and then only in places where there is at least
    2 ft. of snow cover on the ground—but not on any frozen body of water,
    and not on the east face of Mt. Washington's summit cone from Boott
    Spur to Nelson Crag (the area above Tuckerman and Huntington Ravines,
    including the Alpine Garden area). The point where the above-treeline
    restricted area begins is marked on most trails with small signs, but the
    absence of such signs should not be construed as proof of the legality of
    a site.

    (2) No camping is permitted within a quarter mile of any trailhead,
    picnic area, or any facility for overnight accommodation such as a hut,
    cabin, shelter, tentsite, or campground, except as designated at the facility
    itself. In the area covered by Section 1, camping is also forbidden within a
    quarter mile of Glen Ellis Falls.

    (3) No camping is permitted within 200 ft. of certain trails. In 2002
    designated trails included the Ammonoosuc Ravine Trail.

    (4) No camping is permitted on WMNF land within a quarter mile
    of certain roads (camping on private roadside land is illegal except by
    permission of the landowner). In 2002 these roads included US 302 west
    of Bartlett NH, NH 16 north of Glen Ellis Falls, the Base Road (PR 173),
    the Jefferson Notch Rd. from the Base Rd. to the Caps Ridge Trail trail-
    head, and the Rocky Branch Rd. (FR 27, a.k.a. Jericho Rd.).

    (5) In Tuckerman and Huntington Ravines (Cutler River drainage,
    including the Alpine Garden and the east face of the Mt. Washington
    summit cone), camping is prohibited throughout the year; the only year-
    round exception is the Hermit Lake Shelters and adjoining tent platforms
    (management policies described below under campsites). Visitors in the '
    ravine areas may not kindle charcoal or wood fires; people intending to
    cook must bring their own small stoves. Day visitors and shelter users
    alike are required to carry out all their own trash and garbage—no recep-
    tacles are provided. This operating policy is under continual review, so it
    can change from time to time; current information is available at Pinkham
    Notch Visitor Center or the Tuckerman Ravine caretaker's residence, or
    from WMNF offices. There is no warming room open to the public, and
    refreshments are not available.

    Crawford Notch State Park

    No camping is permitted in Crawford Notch State Park, except at the public Dry River Campground (fee charged).

    Established Trailside Campsites

    Hermit Lake Campsite (AMC/WMNF), located in Tuckerman Ravine, consists of 10 open-front shelters with a capacity of 86 and three tent platforms open to the public. Tickets for shelter and tentsite space (nontransferable and nonrefundable) must be purchased for a nominal fee at Pinkham Notch Visitor Center in person (first come, first served). Campers are limited to a maximum of seven consecutive nights, and pets are not allowed to stay overnight.

    Also this information can be found on this website:

    http://www.mountwashington.org/about...eave_no_trace/

    KDT

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    With all that said Andrew did not illegally camp.
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    they are pretty detailed about the technicalities on the rules. i remember seeing no camping signs somewhere before up there i fig it was to preserve the vegetation. you know you have those great select individuals that dont follw the carry in carry out rule,
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    "With all that said Andrew did not illegally camp."

    Not as long as it was 200' off of the Ammonoosuc Ravine Trail.

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    Nothing in that photo says he is within 200' of the trail. 200' sounds like a lot but its only 70 or so paces. One of the easier requirements to meet.
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    No, I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying that's the rule.
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    Yes, I was defiantly over 200 feet from the trail. I'd advise everyone that does overnight hikes to just stay at the huts. They're so much more easier to get to and the food really raises your spirits...well worth the price in my opinion. Heavy Packs hurt your back after 3 days too!...that was my only weakness, otherwise I could have done this hike in a day and a half haha. When you get cheap packs that don't distribute weight evenly it KILLS your shoulders, that happened to me when I had my skis on my pack with the boots to ski Tux. My friend and I are in great shape and our parents not so much so they're slower. I don't mind though, it's nice to enjoy the hike instead of speed through it.
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