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    Quote Originally Posted by tkahike
    We should not live without worries, but sometimes the solutions are worse then the problems. Example: Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage
    I read the Recorder article, and it bothered me that Toyota might be greenwashing us on the Prius, so I decided to ask them myself. I submitted this via Toyota's Contact page:

    Dear Toyota: I am a great admirer of the Prius and its importance in proving the viability of environmentally sound technology. I was worried to learn that the nickel for the hybrid batteries comes from a factory in Canada that has destroyed the local environment. Is this true? If so, does Toyota plan to switch to an environmentally sustainable supplier for the nickel? Thank you for your time.
    Here is the body of their reply:

    Nickel has been mined in Sudbury since the late 1800s. The large majority of the environmental damage from nickel mining in and around Sudbury was caused by mining practices that were abandoned decades ago.

    Please note: Toyota is strongly committed to reducing the impact of its products on the environment and on global climate change. In the U.S. alone, we’ve sold more than 250,000 hybrids that, combined, have saved more than 100 million gallons of gas. In addition to saving fuel, those vehicles are also among the top performers in their classes in terms of smog-forming emissions.

    To find out more, please explore the following URL's.

    Title: Toyota Environment
    URL: http://www.toyota.com/about/environment/index.html

    Title: Hybrid Synergy Drive Mini-site
    URL: http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/minisite/hsd
    You can see the age of the Sudbury mine at the current owner's site: http://archive.xstrata.com/falconbri...ns/sudbury.htm

    ...and it's loony to say that the Hummer costs less to drive per mile than the Prius (without the mistaken assumption of a 100,000 mile lifespan). That is only the hybrid-part warranty period (see http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2005/prius/faq.html).

    Toyota pays $200 per battery to recycle them (see http://www.hybridcars.com/faq.html#battery). Every pound of recycled nickel is one less that needs to be mined.

    As to the comparison of the Prius to the Chevy Aveo; according the Consumer Reports, the Aveo is a clunky econobox with poor durability, whereas the Prius is spacious, low-maintenance, and drivable. Despite the new 45 MPG rating, the Prius still has 150% of the Aveo's fuel economy (http://www.fueleconomy.gov).

    Check out http://www.driveclean.ca.gov/en/gv/d...sionrating.asp for info on the emissions ratings.


    I enjoy discussions, like this one, that challenge our assumptions.

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    wow i get that 45 miles per gallon in my diesil...so these batteries must cost lots of money...does their life = savings in money/their short lifes

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    A great website I found for figuring the green-ness of a vehicle is http://www.fueleconomy.org/. That's the EPA's site for vehicle emissions, so it will reflect their own methods, as accurate as they are.

    Diesels get great gas mileage, but their particulate emissions tend to be lousy. That's true at least in the U.S., where most people drive gasoline cars and diesel is less-refined than in Europe. Europeans tend to drive manual diesels, which is the opposite of what you see over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike D
    A great website I found for figuring the green-ness of a vehicle is http://www.fueleconomy.org/. That's the EPA's site for vehicle emissions, so it will reflect their own methods, as accurate as they are.

    Diesels get great gas mileage, but their particulate emissions tend to be lousy. That's true at least in the U.S., where most people drive gasoline cars and diesel is less-refined than in Europe. Europeans tend to drive manual diesels, which is the opposite of what you see over here.
    What about ultra-low sulfur diesel? Its the only thing you can buy in the US now and its supposed to be very clean.
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    Moose photoed in Darien, CT on June 5th. About 2 miles from Long Island Sound.

    Take that global warming!

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    Unfortunately, wasn't he hit and killed on the Merritt Parkway? I heard the driver is in Norwalk Hospital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by detour to the whites
    Unfortunately, wasn't he hit and killed on the Merritt Parkway? I heard the driver is in Norwalk Hospital.
    Yeah, I left that part out of the story. Honestly, that moose was dead weeks ago. Its amazing he lasted that long with all the roads and highways around here.
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    Wonderful and terrible at the same time!

    Wonderful to see the bear population increasing in CT but unfortunate that people have to report sightings which bring in the DEP to tranquilize and relocate them. This process is so extreme on the animal. Just watch it meander through and let it be.

    Now with that moose sighting...how wonderful!! I'm sure there is no real population of moose in the state but to see the one is promising! Actually, you're right Bill, we might be better off without them in the lower counties with such busy roads and traffic. Sorry...off topic.
    ~Rich

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    I am amazed to hear about a Moose in CT. In all my life I don't think I have ever heard of a Moose in CT. Not that it hasn't happened, I just haven't heard of it. I thought that NH was the farthest south these animals were found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WSR88D
    I am amazed to hear about a Moose in CT. In all my life I don't think I have ever heard of a Moose in CT. Not that it hasn't happened, I just haven't heard of it. I thought that NH was the farthest south these animals were found.
    Not just CT, but Fairfield County. And not just Fairfield County, but Darien, only a few miles from Long Island Sound. In the southwest corner, close to New York City.
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