Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 14

Thread: A Few Days in Yosemite - June 2010

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Rhode Island
    Posts
    1,994
    Thanks
    60
    Thanked 243 Times in 126 Posts

    Default A Few Days in Yosemite - June 2010

    It's now been almost three weeks since we were in Yosemite. This post would have come sooner but going through 800+ photos and deciding which ones to keep was harder than can be imagined. What a place!

    Yosemite has been #1 on "life list" for many years and it turned into the first half of our "last great family vacation". Since our daughter is a junior next year presumably next years vacation plans are all going to involve colleges. This dream trip wound up being 5 days in Yosemite, a stop over in Monterey (including kayaking Monterey bay with the otters and sea lions) and finally a week in San Francisco. It was probably the best (and certainly the most jam-packed) vacation ever for us. But on to Yosemite...

    It is difficult for a place that you've been dreaming about for so long to live up to expectations. In many ways it exceeded even those dreams as this is truly one of the most beautiful and spectacular places on earth and one that has to be seen in person to truly appreciate. The down side is that Yosemite Valley is an absolute zoo in the summer (and it was technically still spring when we arrived). Quite like Disney - except Disney knows how to handle the crowds. Sitting in traffic jams and standing in line for an hour to order a pizza are a regular part of the experience. That said, IT IS STILL VERY MUCH WORTH THE TROUBLE!!! I think the secret to visiting Yosemite is to go once, see all the "main attractions" with the rest of the crowds (there is a reason they are the main attractions) and then return many more times and visit all the other wonderful places in the park - the back country in particular - that are equally or more amazing. That "return many more times" idea is certainly one of my hopes. But no more negatives - on to a journey through the home of John Muir's inspiration.

    Day One - Mariposa Grove and a Valley Tour

    "It has been said that trees are imperfect men, and seem to bemoan their imprisonment rooted in the ground. But they never seem so to me. I never saw a discontented tree. They grip the ground as though they liked it, and though fast rooted they travel about as far as we do. They go wandering forth in all directions with every wind, going and coming like ourselves, traveling with us around the sun two million miles a day, and through space heaven knows how fast and far!" - John Muir

    We spent the night before our arrival in Merced so that we could leave bright and early for the park and get a full day in. We took the long route so that we could come in the South entrance on Rt 41 and visit Mariposa Grove before heading into the valley. We wound up having to park in Wawona and taking the shuttle back to the grove since parking was already full by mid morning. We spent several hours wandering through the largest trees in the world - the Giant Sequoias. We'd been to Muir Woods before and seen the Coastal Redwoods (which are also Sequoias) and while they are taller the trees in the Mariposa Grove and simply gigantic! We wound up making a 5 mile loop through the grove and seeing many of the trees. It was a good hike and the sights were spectacular. The upper part of the grove was also much quieter as most of the crowds weren't up for the long hike and we thoroughly enjoyed the solitude.













    Leaving the grove we headed into the valley. It was late enough in the day that the morning rush was over and traffic wasn't bad. Driving up Rt 41 was a pretty drive but it in no way prepared us for the sight when we turned the corner and got our first valley views. There is nothing that a picture can do to portray this - when you see it the breath is just sucked out of your body. It takes every bit of concentration to keep from just driving off the road into the view.



    After regaining our senses from that, we headed through the Wawona Tunnel and emerged at Tunnel View. We only thought that those first views were spectacular. This spot - the view for Ansel Adams' famous winter photo of the valley - has to be one of the most amazingly beautiful views on earth. All of Yosemite Valley is spread out before you from El Capitan to Clouds Rest, Half Dome and Bridal Veil Falls. Good signs for what lies ahead...





    Driving into the valley we were again assaulted by the sights. Yosemite Falls thundering above the meadows. Half Dome so close it seems you can touch it. El Capitan looming over the valley floor. Definitely a place that makes you feel very small.

    Yosemite Falls


    Half Dome


    Valley Meadow and Yosemite Falls


    Half Dome Meadow View


    Upper Yosemite Falls


    We checked in to our new home in Curry Village. The tent cabins are actually very comfortable with decent beds, lights and electricity (at least if you prepare correctly). Every tent cabin also has a bear locker outside where all food and anything with a smell (right down to toothpaste) has to be kept. Lots of bear stories being told by the staff and warnings about how to be prepared, however we only saw one bear during the week and that was outside the valley. Doesn't mean they aren't around though.



    Home Sweet Tent - Bear locker outside door to the right


    Glacier Point from Curry Village (outside our tent cabin) - 3000' up


    We ended the afternoon by renting bikes and riding the bike path loop around the western end of the valley. This really is a great way to see the valley floor sights without the traffic or having to wait for the shuttles. Definitely a good idea for day one to get oriented. After our tour we headed over to the Curry Village Pizza Deck for dinner and a beer. Even waiting in the long lines didn't seem so bad as we were still just soaking in the experience. None of us had any trouble sleeping that night (or any other night for that matter) - we were exhausted and happy.





    El Capitan


    Half Dome evening light



    ?Everybody needs beauty as well as bread, places to play in and pray in where nature may heal and cheer and give strength to the body and soul.? - John Muir

    (continued)
    Mark

    Keep close to Nature's heart...
    and break clear away, once in awhile,
    and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods.
    Wash your spirit clean. - John Muir


    Hiking photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/mtruman42
    Hiking Blog: http://theramblingsblog.blogspot.com/
    Seek the 2011 Peak page: Mark Truman's Pledge Page

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Rhode Island
    Posts
    1,994
    Thanks
    60
    Thanked 243 Times in 126 Posts

    Default

    Day Two - The Mist Trail and John Muir Trail to Vernal and Nevada Falls

    ?Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like autumn leaves.? - John Muir

    We had planned on our days being multi-activity but getting up early and getting going in the morning wasn't all that easy. By the time we had ourselves up, fed and headed out the morning was nearly gone. We took the shuttle to the Happy Isles trailhead and started out on probably the most popular hike in the valley. The crowds were pretty heavy but once we got past Vernal Falls it thinned out a lot. Our first exposure to Yosemite hiking provided a few surprises. First, the Mist Trail is paved! With asphalt! We figured that this must be mostly the bottom but it turned out to be a large part of the almost 7 mile loop. Even the section of the JMT above Nevada Falls had paving with is no longer maintained. I can't imagine what John Muir would have thought about this. The next surprise was when we got to the top of Vernal Falls and again at Nevada Falls there were bathrooms and running water. Maybe this is Disney after all. The hike was nothing short of spectacular though and we'd do it again in a minute! It was a hot day and walking through the mist below Vernal Falls was very welcomed. We were glad we had our pack covers and the waterproof camera since we got totally soaked! We were also glad that we decided to do this as a loop with the JMT and in this direction since walking down the hundreds of wet stone steps didn't look like it would be any fun at all.









    Rainbow below Vernal Falls


    View from the top of Vernal Falls


    The trail from Vernal to Nevada was really nice and much quieter. The views at the top were again amazing. We had figured out that the dome that we were looking at looming over us all the way up was Liberty Cap but didn't realize until looking at the map later that we were also looking at the back of Half Dome. Makes sense since this is the beginning of the Half Dome hike (which is NOT on my list both due to the crowds and my acrophobia - no cables for me!).

    Liberty Cap (right), Mt Broderick (lower center) and Half Dome (above center)


    Nevada Falls


    Stairway to heaven


    Rock gardens


    Top of Nevada Falls
    http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KuEV5mt1_ak/TD...0/P1050397.JPG

    The hike back down the JMT was nice and quite easy (particularly compared to the typical rocky trails we're used to in the Whites). The views from this side gave some nice new perspectives as well.

    Nevada Falls from the JMT




    That night we met up for dinner with Erich (BlueDog) who was just happened to be in Yosemite the same time we were. He had been doing a solo back country hike that was cut short by the exceptional late spring conditions (4--5 ft of snow above Tioga Rd) and had come back to the valley for a couple of days. During dinner we schemed on what we could all do together the next day.

    (continued)
    Mark

    Keep close to Nature's heart...
    and break clear away, once in awhile,
    and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods.
    Wash your spirit clean. - John Muir


    Hiking photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/mtruman42
    Hiking Blog: http://theramblingsblog.blogspot.com/
    Seek the 2011 Peak page: Mark Truman's Pledge Page

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Rhode Island
    Posts
    1,994
    Thanks
    60
    Thanked 243 Times in 126 Posts

    Default

    Day Three - Tioga Road to Mono Lake

    "Wherever we go in the mountains, or indeed in any of God?s wild fields, we find more than we seek." - John Muir

    We had initially decided with Erich to head up to his initial planned back country location - May Lake - and do a short hike in the snow in to the lake to check it out. We did a caravan to May Lake road with the plan that we'd continue on to Tioga Pass and maybe Mono Lake while he stayed and explored the May Lake area. The plan didn't exactly pan out as the road to the May Lake trailhead was closed which would have left us with an extra 2 miles each way in the softening snow to get in. Oh well, on to plan B. We basically kept driving 10-15 minutes at a time between the succession of "oh-my-God" views along Tioga Road.

    Still lots of snow in the Sierras


    Yellow Bellied Marmot


    First major stop - Olmstead Point. This has to be one of the best viewpoints in Yosemite (saying a lot). Nat and I took the short hike down to the point while Erich did some rock scrambling across the road and Jamie hung out enjoying the views. Before we left we took the opportunity to get in a Seek the Peak promo photo

    Half Dome and Clouds Rest (left) from Olmstead Point


    You can see the line of people going up the cables on Half Dome


    Erich (top) on the slabs


    Tenaya Lake in the distance from Olmstead Point. Polly Dome (left), Tresidder Peak (right) and snow (under my feet)


    The Seek the Peak crew


    Erich still wasn't planning to keep going so instead of leaving a car and riding together the caravan continued past the Tioga Pass entrance when we finally realized that we were just going to all stay together for the day and switched to one car. The stops along the way included Tenaya Lake, Tuloumne Meadows and Tioga Lake. The scenery the entire way was just breathtaking.

    Tenaya Lake


    That water had to have been cold. I never found out for myself


    Tuolumne Meadows and Lembert Dome (left)


    Still lots of snow in the meadow


    Tioga Lake


    Now that we'd finally decided to make it a day we headed down the other side of Tioga Pass to Lee Vining and Mono Lake. The drive down was spectacular and I was happy that Erich was driving so that I could enjoy the views instead of being white knuckled on the road. We stopped at
    the Whoa Nellie Deli at the Tioga Gas Mart for lunch which turned out to be awesome. Hard to believe finding a great restaurant located in a gas station. Check out the menu on the web page. Thank you Yelp! We stopped for the Mono Lake views from above and then headed down to the visitors center. The told us the best place to go to see the tufa was at the South Tufa area and off we went again. It was quite an amazing drive since we had come from mountains covered with snow only 1/2 hour away and were now driving through hills in the desert! Someone told us that the mountains here next to Mono Lake are the "youngest mountains in the world" and are still forming.

    Heading down Tioga Road toward Lee Vining


    Mono Lake


    Supposedly the youngest mountains in the world


    The walk around the South Tufa area was amazing. Mono Lake is one of the saltiest bodies of water in the world and the tufa is very interesting and beautiful. Tufa is limestone that is formed by the precipitation of carbonate minerals from the water. Looking over the tufa, across the lake, through the desert and to the snow covered mountains beyond was just surreal.

    Heading down the South Tufa trail


    Tufa






    The drive back to the valley was beautiful too and seemed totally different since we were seeing everything from a new angle. We didn't stop every few minutes this time and only made one stop get get the view from the opposite end of Tenaya Lake. For a day without hiking (which we couldn't have imagined in Yosemite) it couldn't have been more amazing! Definitely want to get back to this part of the park someday and get into the back country.



    Tioga Pass entrance station. Almost 10,000' without leaving the car!


    Tenaya Lake



    (continued)
    Last edited by mtruman; 07-15-2010 at 05:01 AM.
    Mark

    Keep close to Nature's heart...
    and break clear away, once in awhile,
    and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods.
    Wash your spirit clean. - John Muir


    Hiking photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/mtruman42
    Hiking Blog: http://theramblingsblog.blogspot.com/
    Seek the 2011 Peak page: Mark Truman's Pledge Page

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Rhode Island
    Posts
    1,994
    Thanks
    60
    Thanked 243 Times in 126 Posts

    Default

    Day Four - Glacier Point and Sentinel Dome

    "Another glorious Sierra day in which one seems to be dissolved and absorbed and sent pulsing onward we know not where. Life seems neither long nor short, and we take no more heed to save time or make haste than do the trees and stars. This is true freedom, a good practical sort of immortality." - John Muir

    We tried to convince Erich to hang around for one more day but he headed back to San Jose on Wednesday morning. We headed out in the morning for a drive to Glacier Point and a hike to Sentinel Dome and Taft Point. These are generally listed as two separate hikes (both short) but the Pohono Trail connects them in a loop (or so we thought). The hike to Sentinel Dome is only 1.1 miles each way and has to be the best bang-for-the-buck hike anywhere. It's an easy hike including up the side of the dome (not too steep) and the 360 views from the top are absolutely breathtaking (OK, I keep using that description, but this is Yosemite after all). On the way we came across what may be the only cairn (or trail blaze of any kind) in Yosemite - at least as far as we could tell. Amazing to not have this after being used to the blazes and cairns seemingly every few feet on New England trails.

    Yosemite's lone cairn


    Sentinel Dome




    "Between every two pines is a doorway to a new world." - John Muir




    Mt Starr King - western version


    El Capitan from above


    North Dome and Basket Dome






    One of the attractions at the top is the remains of the Jeffrey Pine made famous in the Ansel Adams photo from 1940. The tree fell in 2003 but the remains are there and it still makes a beautiful subject.





    After spending a long time at the top soaking in the views we headed down to take the Pohono trail to Taft Point. We found a trail sign at the junction below the dome pointing to Taft Point and headed off in that direction. We quickly lost the trail and after wandering around and trying different approaches for over 1/2 hour finally gave up! Definitely a down side to the lack of blazes and cairns. We considered doing the out and back to Taft Point (which is from the same trailhead) but decided it was late enough that we wouldn't bother and we headed out to Glacier Point. This is another of those must-go-to attractions that every Yosemite tourist visits and it is obviously with good reason. The views into the valley are dizzying. It was amazing looking down from the lookout point railing and staring straight down several thousand feet to Curry Village below and beyond to all the valley floor.

    Curry Village from Glacier Point. Our tent cabin is just to the right of the pool


    Glacier Point Panorama


    Merced River winding through the valley


    Leaving Glacier Point we stopped at Washburn Point and were treated to yet another unique perspective on the valley including a view to the east and south that puts Vernal and Nevada Falls into a singe frame (maybe the only spot to see this) and provides a panorama of the Sierra. Leaving there we immediately found ourselves in a traffic jam with cars stopped in the middle of the road on both sides - many with their doors open and no occupants. That means only one thing in Yosemite - bears. There was a mother with two young cubs probably 20 yards off the road in the woods. The cubs were playing together and chasing each other up and down a tree. Incredibly cute. It's had to believe how incredibly stupid people are though and watching them head off into the woods to get closer for a picture I could only imagine what could have happened if Mom had decided her cubs were in danger. Thankfully they wandered off and the traffic cleared before any such incident.

    Half Dome and Clouds Rest


    Nevada and Vernal Falls


    That night we decided to head over to the Ahwahnee to see the "Yosemite luxury locale" and have a drink on the porch (the only nearly affordable thing to do there). Unfortunately we wound up in the exiting visitor daily traffic jam and it took close to an hour to get the one mile to the hotel. That was enough of driving in the valley for me and curtailed our plans to drive to El Cap Meadows to watch the climbers later (saved that for tomorrow). The Ahwahnee is beautiful and has a very interesting history. We enjoyed our short visit and felt glad that we were staying in our little tent cabin.





    Day Five - Time to Escape!

    After more that enough of crowds and traffic jams we decided that our last day had to be an escape from Yosemite Valley. We were hoping that we could find somewhere that the expected spring wildflowers were blooming since we'd seen virtually none in the valley. We finally settled on Hetch Hetchy which is only an hour or so drive out of the valley but gets very few visitors and is supposed to be very beautiful. There were also several hints pointing to this being a good place for wildflowers. That turned out to be a huge understatement and Hetch Hetchy turned out to be our favorite place in the park! In order to do it justice I've given it a separate trip report. It is definitely somewhere that I'd like to return to many times again. On our way out of the park we stopped to watch the climbers on El Cap from the meadow. I simply can't fathom people spending 3 to 4 days hanging off the side of that 3000 ft rock face making their way up.

    Climbers on El Cap (arrows)


    Out on a ledge


    They are all somewhere in the middle of THAT!!! 3000' to the top



    After our wonderful day in Hetch Hetchy (trip report HERE) our Yosemite journey was at an end. Five days of ups and downs (both physically and emotionally). I'm not sure what I expected from this visit but it was both more and less in many ways and nothing I could have anticipated. I hope that we will be able to return - maybe many times - in different seasons and to explore the many, many places that could take a lifetime. John Muir did not exaggerate in any way about this place. It is no wonder that he spent so much of his life here. The rest of the trip was fantastic but it is this place that will stay with me forever. The images are burned into my brain and I think into my soul. You truly can't appreciate the magic here unless you experience it in person. I hope you are all able to make it there someday!!


    "Yosemite Park is a place of rest, a refuge from the roar and dust and weary, nervous, wasting work of the lowlands, in which one gains the advantages of both solitude and society. Nowhere will you find more company of a soothing peace-be- still kind. Your animal fellow-beings, so seldom regarded in civilization, and every rock-brow and mountain, stream, and lake, and every plant soon come to be regarded as brothers; even one learns to like the storms and clouds and tireless winds. This one noble park is big enough and rich enough for a whole life of study and aesthetic enjoyment. It is good for everybody, no matter how benumbed with care, encrusted with a mail of business habits like a tree with bark. None can escape its charms. Its natural beauty cleans and warms like a fire, and you will be willing to stay forever in one place like a tree." - John Muir


    The complete Yosemite photo album (which I managed to cut down to 400 from the original 800) is here: http://picasaweb.google.com/mtruman42/Yosemite2010#

    For the best information out there on Yosemite hiking with fantastic pictures and trail maps check out this site: Yosemite Hikes
    Last edited by mtruman; 07-15-2010 at 05:00 AM.
    Mark

    Keep close to Nature's heart...
    and break clear away, once in awhile,
    and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods.
    Wash your spirit clean. - John Muir


    Hiking photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/mtruman42
    Hiking Blog: http://theramblingsblog.blogspot.com/
    Seek the 2011 Peak page: Mark Truman's Pledge Page

  5. The Following User Says Thank You to mtruman For This Useful Post:

    CHRIS (07-15-2010)

  6. #5
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    South Dartmouth,MA.
    Posts
    1,416
    Thanks
    343
    Thanked 173 Times in 116 Posts

    Default

    WWHHEEWWWWW I made it. What a trip report. I almost felt as thou I was there with you.This really was a great T/R and your pictures are truely,truely amazing. I cannot believe there is still so much snow left. As for the climbers on the wall all I have to say is HECK NO. Someday I would like to get out there to see the park. It is on our Bucket list. Seeing a place like this always amazes me why so many people have to go out of the country to vacation when there are places as beautiful as this in the US that need to be seen. Thanks Mark for taking the time to write the report and post the pictures for all to see. Absolutly amazing.

  7. #6
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Southeastern PA
    Posts
    2,038
    Thanks
    724
    Thanked 321 Times in 242 Posts

    Default

    Wow, fantastic photos and report Mark!!! It looks absolutely beautiful out there. What scenery. You had to be very close to the edge to get those shots from Glacier Point. Thanks for taking us along on your journey. Will have to get out there someday soon.
    Bob

    I never want to see a day
    That's over forty degrees
    I'd rather have it thirty,
    Twenty, ten, five and let it freeeeEEEEEEeeze!

    My Seek the Peak 2014 Photo Set

  8. #7
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Lovettsville, VA
    Posts
    731
    Thanks
    17
    Thanked 112 Times in 67 Posts

    Default

    Having been there three times now, even in pictures the place still amazes me! The entire time I was in the park I found myself completely focused on the moment, not ever thinking about what happened yesterday or worrying about tomorrow. It really is healing for the mind! Wonderful pics and write-up Mark!

    I would highly recommend that if you haven't been to Yosemite, start making plans today! Remember that life is impermanent, and when our time comes, you'll never wish that you spent more time at work.

    By now, I'm very familiar with the Backcountry rules, permit process, planning, etc. So if anyone wants info or advice I'm happy to help. And if you want a guide to go along with you, just say the word.
    Summit Club Member
    Seek the Peak 11
    Seek the Peak 10: Lions Head/Tuckermans Ravine
    Seek the Peak 09: Boot Spur (redux)
    Seek the Peak 08: Huntington Ravine
    Seek the Peak 07: Tuckermans Ravine/Lions Head
    My 48: Washington (07/07, 07/08, 07/09, 09/09, 07/10), Lafayette (08/08, 08/09), Lincoln (08/08, 08/09), Pierce (07/10), Carrigain (09/10), Cannon (10/10), Jackson (11/10), Field (11/10), Tom (01/11)

  9. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to BlueDog For This Useful Post:

    CHRIS (07-15-2010), mtruman (07-15-2010), Snow Miser (07-15-2010)

  10. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Baltimore, Maryland
    Posts
    504
    Thanks
    105
    Thanked 84 Times in 54 Posts

    Thumbs up Trip of A Lifetime

    Mark,
    Truly a spectacular report and pictures that make one feel as if they are there with you.
    Yosemite is a vacation must, not only for hiking but also the scenery. On our trip to Yosemite as we entered the park and saw El Capitan on one side, Half Dome on the other with the valley in between; I had to pinch myself to make sure it was real.
    I had to laugh as to how you described your day in the "valley." When we were there, Michael's brother and sister-in-law didn't want to take us there but we kept insisting and pestering them. On our last day they relented and took us there at which time we realized that they were right as it was a Zoo; but you need to see it once to experience it.
    Hope you have the opportunity to go back again!
    Donna

  11. #9
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Rhode Island
    Posts
    1,994
    Thanks
    60
    Thanked 243 Times in 126 Posts

    Default

    Thanks for the comments all. I truly enjoy writing these trip reports. It's a great way to relive the experience (and gives me an outlet for "frustrated author" trapped in me).

    Chris - I'm with you on the climbing on El Cap. Heck, you couldn't even get me on the cables on Half Dome let alone that!

    Erich - Was great spending the time with you out there. My goal now is to catch up with you on the number of visits (and that doesn't mean you should stop going).

    Donna - This would probably have been a short boring trip report if you hadn't started putting the pressure on me before we even were back from vacation. Glad you enjoyed it. I know exactly what you mean too about having to pinch yourself to believe that some of those sights are real. I think I did that at least a couple of times a day.

    Bob - Glacier Point isn't as bad as it seems. At that spot you're on a sidewalk looking over a railing. There are however plenty of places with less safety. The spot with the arrow pointing to it in the photo below is the spot on top of Glacier Point where people used to dance, do acrobatics, etc. JUST PLAIN CRAZY!! They don't allow anyone out there any more. The other picture is one of the classic ones of that spot with the "dancing ladies"



    Mark

    Keep close to Nature's heart...
    and break clear away, once in awhile,
    and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods.
    Wash your spirit clean. - John Muir


    Hiking photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/mtruman42
    Hiking Blog: http://theramblingsblog.blogspot.com/
    Seek the 2011 Peak page: Mark Truman's Pledge Page

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to mtruman For This Useful Post:

    Snow Miser (07-16-2010)

  13. #10
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    South Dartmouth,MA.
    Posts
    1,416
    Thanks
    343
    Thanked 173 Times in 116 Posts

    Default

    Man them people dancing out there are SICK totally SICK. I am with you Mark. I don't think I could do the cables on Half dome either.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •